Re: Uli Behringer's deeply concerning post
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:46 pm
Those son-of-a-bitches! Now I'll never be able to afford any Moogs nor want to ever get a cheapass copy.
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Really?wiss wrote:The moment he releases the 2600 clone, every single one of us will be preordering that s**t and dreaming of recreating Star Wars sound designs.
I bought a noise-gate rackmount(Behringer Denoiser) in late 1996 that worked just as well as a Drawmer. Decent quality knobs and switches, sound quality was fine, had an internal power supply, etc. I turned it on one day about 6-7 years later, the power supply made a little whimper and the LED's went out. Whole thing fried. If it was made before the transfer to Chinese manufacturing, I have to believe that their policy on quality has always been bad.commodorejohn wrote:I've owned exactly one piece of equipment by Behringer. It was a little four or five-channel mixer, and it sounded like total a*s and clipped out in a junky digital way if you so much as looked at it funny. I don't see myself buying anything else from them any time soon, even if it is cheaper.
I think most are aware but especially when you consider competing software implementations, the industry has shifted more towards the short-term, wider immediate consumer demand, only a fraction of which could be labeled as "professionals". Social media, enthusiast websites and forums like this one are all you need for marketing. I guess the real irony and stupidity of this reality is someone designing something based on vintage, due to too high an unmeetable demand for vintage, that itself likely will never become vintage due to lackluster quality.Steve Jones wrote:And yet people never seem to learn that cheap, derivative, minimum specification junk is not a good buy. Something is not cheap if you have to buy it over and over because it was built with substandard parts and has such poor design tolerances that it soon self destructs. It also becomes landfill as it's so poorly made that it is not worth repairing. It has no resale value either.
I believe you. Question is however: does it matter? Does it really matter in cases where one's not out to 100% emulate a hardware synth in software? And what if you get 90%? Or 80%? Or 70%? Where to draw the line between 'meh' and 'yay'?Solderman wrote:I emphasize DAW plugin software because DSP-based VA just cannot reproduce circuit modeling to the same degree of authenticity, nor do it with as many simultaneous voices or instances, and cost the same order of magnitude less than real analogue.
There must be a threshold somewhere. Why else would people become dissatisfied with Synthedit freeware plugins and end up paying for cheap hardware synths? The market speaks in favor of this trend probably increasing.CS_TBL wrote:Does it really matter in cases where one's not out to 100% emulate a hardware synth in software? And what if you get 90%? Or 80%? Or 70%? Where to draw the line between 'meh' and 'yay'?
Don't rule out the fact that many people are worthless sound designers, and even more people are worthless synth builders. Software like SynthEdit merely means that more people have the opportunity to create their own synth, it doesn't guarantee that those DIY-synths are any good. If many free SE-synths end up being 303-clones, 909-clones, 202-clones, Minimoog-clones and Juno clones, then I can imagine that at some point the audience yells "Okay Okay! We get the point! Now do something new please!". Somehow, many people seem to think the world needs boatloads more lfo->osc->filter->envelope synths, as long as the graphical interface is a Photoshop-feast.Solderman wrote:There must be a threshold somewhere. Why else would people beceome dissatisfied with Synthedit freeware plugins and end up paying for cheap hardware synths? The market speaks in favor of this trend probably increasing.
Can people get original Moogs cheaper when buying second hand?CS_TBL wrote: Now back to synths. If uncle Moog builds a $4000 synth, and uncle Uli builds a $800 lookalike/soundalike synth which sounds 90% like the $4000 Moog, do you really think the Behringer synth would fail on the mass market?