What would be a nice companion to my Juno 60?

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Re: What would be a nice companion to my Juno 60?

Post by madtheory » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:22 am

philip wrote:1)They are not the same))
2)DX7 is not working with the 106/60
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Re: What would be a nice companion to my Juno 60?

Post by gcoudert » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:08 am

philip wrote:They do sound absolutely different, actually they have different sound character. BTW, in the reality, the DX7 never works with the Juno series.
This has to be the most unhelpful, untrue comment ever posted on VSE.
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Re: What would be a nice companion to my Juno 60?

Post by sandwich » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:25 am

madtheory wrote:Yes FM layered with analogue is the sound of a lot of classic records.
gcoudert wrote:
philip wrote:They do sound a bit different
Just to clarify what "a bit" is, it's because of a slight difference in the way the filter is set up. It's nothing that cannot easily be replicated with a little eq. I guess some people don't programme even their Junos :(

Great in depth info on the difference here:
http://sequence15.blogspot.ie/2008/10/w ... -from.html

I have to totally agree. The two Juno’s might be marginally different but they are not different enough. If you’re looking for an additional synth to expand on your sonic palette then the DX7 would be a far more sensible option. I have a Juno-6 and a DX7IID and it would seem ludicrous to me spend more money on another synth to get practically the same sound!!!

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Re: What would be a nice companion to my Juno 60?

Post by Synthabator » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:40 pm

gcoudert wrote:
philip wrote:They do sound absolutely different, actually they have different sound character. BTW, in the reality,

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This has to be the most unhelpful, untrue comment ever posted on VSE.
What do you mean "never works with the juno"? Like in sound or MIDI?

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Re: What would be a nice companion to my Juno 60?

Post by CS_TBL » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:54 pm

The most fundamental practical difference between a Juno and an FM synth is not so much the sound. A DX7 can produce a sawtooth, a blockwave, a sine, and thousands of other sounds. At least with FM8 I can also do the PWM thing, the white noises, and all the other stuff. The main difference is the way you program them. A Juno has, what, less than 25 parameters for sound alone (not counting arpeggiators and other global stuff like transpose). A DX7 has tons more things to tweak, and all these things act differently depending on which algorithm you're using. With a typical analog synth like the Juno6/60/106 you have results in under a minute, but the results are (from a sound design point of view) quite basic. With a DX7 (or any other advanced FM synth) it also takes a minute for a basic sawtooth, but it can take hours for something complex. And that's just tweaking parameters, it'll take another few decades to gain enough experience to make these complex FM sounds not just an act of sheer luck. So, FM has a steep learning curve, but the results are extremely vast and rewarding. They have acoustic qualities, and that's where it shines way more bright than any Juno can do!

Personally, I'd pick the: FS1r, if you can find one. It has so many standard FM voices that even I eventually didn't bother anymore programming my own FM stuff. (okay, the limited display didn't make things much better ^_^ )

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Re: What would be a nice companion to my Juno 60?

Post by Synthabator » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:35 pm

Excellent answers CS! I will be sure to check out your answers! You all have been so helpful and thank you!!

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Re: What would be a nice companion to my Juno 60?

Post by mis psiquicios y yo » Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:15 am

I don't know, maybe Vangelis knew too much . . .


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Re: What would be a nice companion to my Juno 60?

Post by madtheory » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:04 pm

mis psiquicios y yo wrote:I don't know
You're right there. What does Vangelis using two Juno 106s prove?

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Re: What would be a nice companion to my Juno 60?

Post by CS_TBL » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:31 pm

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Re: What would be a nice companion to my Juno 60?

Post by Synthabator » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:32 pm

Vangelis having 2 Juno 106's to the 15 plus boards on his station is very different than me with one Juno 60 in my station looking for complimentary ensemble. Lol

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Re: What would be a nice companion to my Juno 60?

Post by madtheory » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:39 pm

:lol:

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Re: What would be a nice companion to my Juno 60?

Post by mis psiquicios y yo » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:35 pm

Synthabator wrote:Vangelis having 2 Juno 106's to the 15 plus boards on his station is very different than me with one Juno 60 in my station looking for complimentary ensemble. Lol
The point of my post is that analog synthesizers blend perfectly well with FM and digital synthesizers, this supporting the suggestion that the dx7 are good complements for a Juno 60.
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Re: What would be a nice companion to my Juno 60?

Post by nuketifromorbit » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:46 am

Honestly I'd recommend a VA with both fm and wavetable capabilities, even if that doesn't match your criteria.
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