madtheory wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:36 pm
knolan wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:06 pm
I think I cut and pasted that entire SOS thread into a word document somewhere - must look for it. I did that because (Bill Marshall?) the creator of the Zyklus got chatting to Stephen Kay over that thread where they were considering how what you'd get if you passed Zyklus realtime sequences into the Karma engine!
Oh wow! Please share that if it turns up
Can't find the bloody thing! I cut and pasted the entire thread into a Word document - there were details in there with Bill Marshall's engagement with Vangelis from 1988 onwards - and for love nor money I can't find the bloody thing! I'll keep looking.
Have to say I'm intrigued by that Oberheim Cyclone. It definitely wasn't me you talked to about it - I've never heard of it before now, but I'd love to get one.
While I totally agree with you and Desmond on the complexity thing - actually - Nick Batt at Sonicstate never ceases to amaze me how quickly he gets on top of all the features of the devices he reviews. Similarly -a lot of successful EDM and other successful contemporary artists always seem to me to have completely mastered whatever equipment they use.
And even going back to the "great" four - Vangelis, Jarre, Tangerine Dream and Tomita - they ALL mastered sequencers to an extraordinary degree. Whether albums like Spiral, Equinoxe or Ricochet - they all are characterised by very intention, very 'decided' sequenced arrangements - and in my view are a substantial reason why those albums were so successful - because the sequenced arrangements were so good, so varied, ever changing and simply lead to - great music.
By contrast - a lot of artists today - especially on the European "Berlin school" circuit or in the ambient field are fantastic at setting up mood as you say it - and even at developing these huge 20 minute pieces - say like Richard Devine - but - in my opinion that's always going to be 'niche' and never penetrate the mass public consciousness because it's too slow - and a large part of that is because in such pieces there is no bar by bar or phrase by phrase movement as there is in say Equinoxe. I mean Equinoxe is relentless in its 'change' - for nearly 40 minutes - virtually no two bars are the same. Don't misuncerstand me - I think Richar Devine is absolutely extraordinary, as are the current "Berlin School" artists from Ian Boddy to Loom, SAW, Tangerine Dream now (and Ulrich Schnauss Solo), ... - I'm just saying that by and large their approach to sequencing is not the same as Jarre, Vangelis, Tomita and TD in their hey day.
So a significant part of what I have been chasing - and still am - is the capacity to create, manipulate and 'perform' sequences in real time. And I mean all of those! I'm not there yet (a divided life) but I want to get there - I know what I'm after and a lot of it is guided by the excellent arrangements of those past electronic masters. It's why I have a ZYKLUS, and Karma / OASYS - and the Casio - and BeatStepPro and a Push2 (which I don't know yet but want my 'clips' to be sequences and not drum patterns) - and I'm near on obsesses by Jarre's matrix-sequencer and wonder why a commercial version of that hasn't been released. I've a lot of learning still to do - but - I only see it as possible when I know those devices inside out - and get enough practice under my belt in using them; ultimately then guided by the intent to create good music and good, every changing arrangements. Whether I succeed or not I do not know, but that's where I'm headed - and why the Cyclone actually does interest me now.
Another amazing "sequence device" is the AN!x. You can split the keyboard and say the lower split is 2 octaves - you can then line 24 different sequences there - one per key - and use the keys to select the desired sequence - and then perform with it on the upper 3 octaves, with loads of performance options from mono to chords. But it has loads of Arpeggiator and Sequencer options - it really is a "Sequencer" masquerading as a synthesizer! Again - very tricky to master but I read the manual from cover to cover over the past few years and am really getting to know it inside out by now.