With hybrids all the rage, why not CS/DX , Juno/JD etc ?

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With hybrids all the rage, why not CS/DX , Juno/JD etc ?

Post by synth geek » Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:56 pm

It seems to me that the success of DSI is built on the dual heritage of the Prophet VS and the original prophets. To my mind all three of the major firms also have this dual heritage of two key and classic analogue and digital synth-series innovations(with dave smith and bob moog obviously still looming larger), so with all their accumulated expertise and if they want to make more money from it, why don't Roland, Yamaha and Korg now have a stab at JD/Juno, DX/CS, ms-series/wavestation crosses, for instance ? Isn't the popularity of the MEK and PEK now showing it would pay off, and be worth the difficulty, for them ?
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Post by OriginalJambo » Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:03 pm

Well if hybrids are so popular then how can the ESQ-1 and DW-8000 both be worth so little? ;)

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Post by synth geek » Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:06 pm

Can you compare the heritage and resources of Ensoniq, and what it had to draw on in the mid 80s , with Sequential/Dave Smith, Yamaha, Korg and Roland now, though, with their later 80s innovations and analog heritage ? Don't forget the ESQ1( lovely synth) and others also emerged when the quest , or stampede, was for all-digital.
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Post by jko » Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:28 pm

To start with you fancy it wouldn't be hard for Alesis to knock together a mono ion or micron/andromeda hybrid a bit like the MEK , given they've got most of the work done already.

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Post by divineaudio » Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:57 pm

going out on a limb here, but my guess is that there is still too much of a niche market for synths like the evolvers and such. I don't imagine the big three would put the effort (and money) into producing something if they had no garauntee of selling at least tens of thousands of units.

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Post by translucencecs » Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:03 pm

As far as I can tell, Korg pretty much did that with the MS-2000 & Microkorg, albeit using virtual modelling...

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Post by jko » Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:04 pm

Thinking about it, I reckon a little ionmicron/andromeda mono would be a great decision for Alesis and their brand, linking the andromeda with the more recent synths, and really easy for them to do.

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Post by jko » Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:16 am

..One of the niche firms could also try anything similar, but without having the digital base it's a much bigger task.

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Post by burnt toast » Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:56 pm

i can't see any of the big 3 japanese firms making anything analog. not cost effective enough..

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Post by jko » Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:51 am

I wonder how many evolvers have been sold ?

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Post by Stab Frenzy » Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:33 am

jko wrote:I wonder how many evolvers have been sold ?
Probably about 3000-4000 by now, maybe more. They'd gotten to about 2000 about two years ago, and that's just desktop evolvers too.

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Post by Taxidermy » Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:39 am

I agree that they wouldn't see enough of a return fast enough for people who want true analogue. Korg even, they are getting enough people buying their cheap electribes to not think they need to go into the true analogue market. However, I would say those are hybrid, as they have tubes to warmen up the sound a bit.

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Post by jko » Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:28 pm

"3000-4000..just the desktop"

Counting in the newer MEK and poly evolver kb and rack sales, then, and considering they're all getting more well known, you'd have to think they'll eventually easily break the 10,000 barrier...
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Post by Stab Frenzy » Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:45 pm

Taxidermy wrote:...However, I would say those are hybrid, as they have tubes to warmen up the sound a bit.
Well you'd be completely wrong then, the tube is just sitting on the wire between the DAC and the output, it's nothing to do with the sound creation.

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Post by Hove portamento overdrive » Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:49 pm

I never quite understood that business with the electribes. The tubes certainly play a big part in their marketing.

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