What is the best afforable alternative to an 808?

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Post by Computer Controlled » Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:17 am

Drum Station hands down. Then get your self either a TR-505 or TR-626 to sequence it. I use this combo and it is flawless. 808/909/DIN SYNC conversion in one box. Well worth the money. Just make sure you either get the V.2 or the more current D-Station (v.2 in a new case). The yellow V.1 had low output, polyphony issues and bad PSUs.
Here is what the DS's 808 kit sounds like... never mind the over compression =o]

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Post by killedaway » Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:19 am

prophei wrote:fanatic? haha, prolly a bit. seriously though, there is something special about the original that is not that easily duplicated... regardless of whether people like the es-1 or not... h**l, i'd prolly like the es-1 for lots of things =]

not that any of this matters. they are all just opinions....
that's understandable. a lot of musicians will tell you that nothing sounds like a piano, except a piano. but that won't stop me from using a decent multisample, and fooling a lot of people (including myself) quite easily. i think the use of a good TR-style sampler can do the same, for people who aren't 808 aficionados. about the only reason i wouldn't recommend the ES-1 is the somewhat low sampling rate. personally, i'm fine with it, but if we're shooting for a fairly accurate emulation (sample-wise), i'd go for something with a touch more fidelity.
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Post by crystalmsc » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:21 am

the drum station is a good affordable alternative, plus you can mix both TR808/909 as a kit..plus, it have a nice distortion too. opt for the V2 since it have several fix over the older one. I also love the tone of the R8MkII..it have the 808 samples, not as accurate, but could also be a nice alternative along with other punchy drum/percussion sounds. Listen here for the R8 808 samples from the Electronic Card: 1, 2
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Post by Dirk » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:21 am

All these drummachines have very simular circuitry to the Tr-808:
Roland Cr-68
Roland Cr-78
Roland Cr-8000
Roland Cr-5000
Roland Tr-606
Boss Dr-55
Boss Dr-110
Korg MiniPops 120
Korg MiniPops 20s
Korg MiniPops 3
Korg KPR-77
Korg SM-20
Korg Kr-55
Korg Kr-33
Roland TR-66
Soundmaster Sr-88

To replace a Tr-808 you can use a Cr-8000 and a Dr-55. The Dr-55 (with kick mod) has an even better kick than the 808 and the Cr-8000 has most of the other sounds of the 808.
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Post by Soundwave » Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:03 am

Quasimidi 309 all the way! Best ROM 808 anywhere and you can do tons more with the sound. Not quite as warm and toppy as the real thing but a very good alternative.

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Post by th0mas » Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:35 pm

NO electribe will do anything resembling an 808. Take a look in the thread about the kick drum on the es-1.

Personally I have an MPC1k and a DR110. Between the two I've got analog drums pretty much covered.

Apparently you can mod the DR-110 circuitry to have pots for all sorts of tonal parameters (BD tune, decay, etc). I might have a go on that with mine some day.

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Post by JSRockit » Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:39 pm

Drumstation and a Jomox MBase01.
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Post by prophei » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:03 pm

JSRockit wrote:Drumstation and a Jomox MBase01.
i would def go with this, as the mbase is AMAZING.
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Post by haricots » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:35 pm

I have a TR-808 and a Drumstation. The Drumstation does a great job (808 and 909) with added tweakablity. However it's pretty hard to get that exact (or is it inexact) 808 sound/feel without using the real deal.

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Post by Z » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:42 pm

Dirk wrote:
To replace a Tr-808 you can use a Cr-8000 and a Dr-55. The Dr-55 (with kick mod) has an even better kick than the 808 and the Cr-8000 has most of the other sounds of the 808.
Don't mean to hijack, but please let me know where I can find out about DR-55 mods. Wouldn't mind modding mine.

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Post by JUGEL » Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:10 pm

GeneralBigbag wrote:What about the MFB502
It's more of a 606 really. I personally can't stand it. 1/8 out, noisy, cheap and not easy to come by.

I personally love the CR8000.
Rave-o-lution 309 would be nice and the most fun.

Best option is a E-MU sampler and a seperate sequencer ... not the most fun. But most practical.

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Re: What is the best afforable alternative to an 808?

Post by 23 » Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:32 pm

Alex E wrote:I really need that 808 sound but I don't have $1200.
What is the best alternative to an 808? It would have to have some sort sequencer, and would have to be cheap.

I was thinking about an electribe. Any other ideas?
As already suggested, the Novation Drumstation is an EXCELLENT emulation.

Now, if you don't mind getting your hands a bit dirty, you could also simply go a synthesis route and simply recreating the timbres via a capable multi-timbral synth.

Of course going a sample based route combined with a sequencer is an option as well. Despite being sample based, I still think that Rebirth had the finest 808 emulation I've seen outside of the Drumstation.

The EMU P2500/CS (which the XL-7 is of this line) is a pretty cool option just because the thing can work like TR sequencer on crack and despite being a ROMpler, a lot of the standard analog waveforms you would need to construct 808 emulations are available and the architecture of the synth is quite capable of lending itself to such developments. There'd be cases where you'd probably find it more suitable to simply use one of the 808 derived waves to perform an action, but none the less, you'd still have the option of building from scratch. I suppose what's also cool is the control set on the P2500/CS is ample enough so that not only could you have a VERY VERY VERY beefed up sequencer capable of TR type actions, but you'd also be able to maintain a control set over the drum timbres similar to what the 808 offered OR EVEN DIDN'T OFFER...it'd really all be up to you given the modular nature of the P2500 and the fact that you'd be building things from scratch.

The Korg ER-1 I think is a nice ALTERNATIVE. You can get many 808ish type timbres out of it, though I'd stop short of saying that you'll be able to turn into some sort of total and complete 808 emulation.

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Post by cebec » Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:38 pm

see my post on the ES-1 kick thread. you CAN get huge, spanking kicks out of it. all I did was create a sample on my modular, maximize it to 90%, sample rate convert with r8brain free to 32 kHz and that was it. running it through an analog eq or other analog outboard was the icing. translated very well to two car stereos.

i have an mfb-502 coming, soon, and i will post if i find it to be noisy or c**p. i have a 606 i'm going to compare it to, as well. the 606 is a bit of a bummer, though. i don't like the non-tweakability! it smacks hard, however.

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Post by sacredcow » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:51 pm

^th0mas, read that, please?
You own an ES-1 or 808? Ever tried very hard or used any of this forum's excelletn advice in trying to make the es-1 sound like an 808? EQ'd much? Been willing to admit that it's possible? Removed your bias against electribes resulting from your ea-1 hate and tried to look at them in the positive for reasons given by most people?
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Post by xpander » Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:12 pm

Jomox, although they are still price-y.

if you want really cheap and dont care about sequencing on the machine, buy a Pro/cussion or similar Eµ module, they have the samples and sound pretty amazing, esp. since you can send different sounds to different outputs for further processing of individual instruments.

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