Does analog really matter in the end

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Postby prophei » Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:44 pm

femmespeaksever wrote:I'm not asking if analog matters, thats personal preference. I'm asking if you send a digital synth or a soft synth through high end ad/da converters, analog tube compressors/limiters, mic pres, etc (the wholes works), will you still notice that its digital once recorded in a mix.


yes. i think it you can. i depends on who is listening though. could you tell 100%, likely no.
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Postby shaft9000 » Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:57 pm

femmespeaksever wrote:I'm not asking if analog matters, thats personal preference. I'm asking if you send a digital synth or a soft synth through high end ad/da converters, analog tube compressors/limiters, mic pres, etc (the wholes works), will you still notice that its digital once recorded in a mix.


With high-end gear the common characteristics are usually accuracy and consistency, so if you just run it through the path with the gain stages unaltered (normalled) than YES. Often the best stuff works in reverse of what you might expect more expensive gear to 'do' : With a really top-notch compressor or EQ it's like you're not supposed to notice it's working - no coloring of your sound, in principle.
So running your gear through cheap analog often colors the sound more than high-end analog, generally.
Exceptions being esoteric designs or boxes like Ebbe & Flut or Sherman, which are designed to be categorically "innacurate".

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Postby JSRockit » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:16 am

I'm starting to find out that I like the ease of use of digital better... like my two favorite machines, the Korg EMX-1 and the Elektron Monomachine. It's just nice to have dead simple sequencers with a bunch of synthesis options in one box. That said, I may run these machine through some analog effects in the future...but as far as ease of use and workflow...I'd rather use digital.
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Postby Slickie » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:21 am

shaft9000 wrote:You can't hear binary information, kids.



actually I can, but Im special...I can also see clear! :shock:
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Postby shaft9000 » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:28 am

Slickie wrote:
shaft9000 wrote:You can't hear binary information, kids.



actually I can, but Im special...I can also see clear! :shock:


while i was writing that I had a feeling some smartass would say something :lol:

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Postby Wiglaf » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:29 am

GeneralBigbag wrote:How can it take 5 pages to say

'Digital recordings of analog synths can sound different from digital recordings of digital synths (and analog recordings of analog synths can sound different from analog recordings of digital synths)'


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Postby Stab Frenzy » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:59 am

shaft9000 wrote:With high-end gear the common characteristics are usually accuracy and consistency, so if you just run it through the path with the gain stages unaltered (normalled) than YES. Often the best stuff works in reverse of what you might expect more expensive gear to 'do' : With a really top-notch compressor or EQ it's like you're not supposed to notice it's working - no coloring of your sound, in principle.

:?

Sometimes, but a whole lot of high end stuff is known for its colour. I think you could say anything with transformers is deliberately coloured.

I think it would be more accurate to say 'good soundingness' is a common characteristic of high end gear. There's a reason studios have lots of different kinds of comps and EQs, different flavours.

Also I think you need to check what normalled means.
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Postby shaft9000 » Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:39 am

One man's meat is another's dead stinky pile of filth, Stab. And I love tube sound...

'Sounds Good' is a subjective assertion that is rather ...tricky to verify, that's why I feel accuracy is usually a good indicator, and a more descriptive qualifier for higher performance in general.

...and what's wrong with referring to consistent dB levels between circuits as 'normal'?

btw what do you think of John Watkinson's addicted to the bottle
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Postby Stab Frenzy » Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:38 am

shaft9000 wrote:One man's meat is another's dead stinky pile of filth, Stab. And I love tube sound...

'Sounds Good' is a subjective assertion that is rather ...tricky to verify, that's why I feel accuracy is usually a good indicator, and a more descriptive qualifier for higher performance in general.

To me accurate means what you put in is what you get out. Linear. Flat. The preamps on the Yamaha 02R96 are really accurate, but they aren't the first ones I'd think of using on most sources. It's the non-linearities of things that give them their character and make them sound better or worse than another.

I think audio is a very subjective thing and that's why 'sounds good' is as close as you can get to defining what makes some gear so sought-after.

shaft9000 wrote:...and what's wrong with referring to consistent dB levels between circuits as 'normal'?

Unity Gain would be what you mean. Normalled is for patch bays.

shaft9000 wrote:btw what do you think of John Watkinson's addicted to the bottle
http://www.resolutionmag.com/slaying.html

Was interesting, even though mostly descriptive. I liked the bit about the valve-based computers in early disk drives. :) Thanks for the link, I might have a look at some of his other articles.
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Postby tallowwaters » Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:17 pm

MarkShovel wrote:Are Mods allows to use that kind of language?


of course. you can too. just say it. it feels so good :lol:
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Postby crow » Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:50 am

tallowwaters wrote:
MarkShovel wrote:Are Mods allows to use that kind of language?


of course. you can too. just say it. it feels so good :lol:



he wasnt fit tae shovel s**t from one place to another.

see whit ah did there??? f**k funny as f**k me.
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Postby Dirk » Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:53 pm

shaft9000 wrote:btw what do you think of John Watkinson's addicted to the bottle
http://www.resolutionmag.com/slaying.html


I strongly recommend reading everything Mr. Watkinson has published.
He is one of the few people in the music industry who actualy have a brain.
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Postby AudiosEnvy » Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:44 am

In the end, now? Nah. 99% of project studiosare recording their analog synths to digital media anyway. Old analogs sound amazing but the majority of end listeners won't be able to tell the difference.

Overall, both analog and digital synths have their place. I don't prefer one to the other. As for recording. Give me a 24 track 2" Reel to Reel over a PT HD system any day... especially when tracking drums. SO I guess it depends on the situation and exactly what we're talking about when saying "analog".
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Postby MrFrodo » Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:51 am

Okay, I'm 50% blind in each eye, so I can't remember if anybodymentioned the Korg DW-8000. I think that could be just as useful in creating "space rock" sounds as anything else.
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Postby primative » Sat Jun 16, 2007 6:01 am

tallowwaters wrote:
MarkShovel wrote:Are Mods allows to use that kind of language?


of course. you can too. just say it. it feels so good :lol:


Tu madre es un puta fea, cabron. :lol:

Does feel good, even if I can't spell in Spanish for s**t. s**t. s**t. f**k. Ahhh....
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