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Post by Soundwave » Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:47 pm

nahpets wrote:an additive fm synth !
FM is a form of additive synthesis!:roll:

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Post by MrFrodo » Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:13 pm

I'd like to take an ARP 2600 and eliminate the external patchbay. What'd have to happen is that, the patchwork would be internalized. You just need to push buttons to activate the expanded patch settings. I'd also like a touch/aftertouch-sensitive keyboard with 61 keys.

Mind you, I don't think that already exists anywhere. I'm not talking Oberheim Matrix programming, here. Although, I would also like the 6-note polyphony and digital memory storage. [Perhaps, you could change patches from the keyboard or the front panel, a la the SMS 400.] That'd be almost like turning the 2600 into a Cs-80, really.

Is there some way of using organ divide-down circuitry to expand polyphony to just so many notes? Sort of laiming for the limited plyphony of the Korg Trident, or the Solina. How did they create polyphony for those boards?
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Post by shoontz » Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:06 pm

I'd love to see a little box like Elektron's Turbo Midi that analyzes audio signals and generated MIDI CC info. Then we could use the filters on existing synths as envelope followers.

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Post by Yoozer » Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:17 pm

What I wish for? Realistic estimates for new products ;).




Analog groovebox? Last time I heard, it's called a modular synthesizer ;). Try to make that bunch fit in an MC-505, then we'll talk (discrete circuitry is hard to get small or expensive to get small).

New sequencer and then suggesting steps? Steps, that only got there in the first place because you can't explain to a machine from that era what the difference between a quarter and an eight note is because it only has one clock (in that sense, they're very much like a music box - the cylinder spins at a fixed speed).
Is there some way of using organ divide-down circuitry to expand polyphony to just so many notes? Sort of laiming for the limited plyphony of the Korg Trident, or the Solina. How did they create polyphony for those boards?
Keep in mind that dividing down only works for oscillators - you'll still need the extra filters, otherwise it's paraphonic.
I'd love to see a hardware synth where you can draw the oscillator waveforms and use them through resonant filters.
Korg DSS-1 did this, albeit in a limited way.
A re-issue of the TB-303, TR-909, and TR-808.
Done: http://www.acidlab.de and http://www.ladyada.net/make/x0xb0x/ and http://www.future-retro.com/REVOLUTION.html - of course they don't look the same. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~concu ... /tb303.htm even, but they had to drop the keyboard (it's just not easy to get this done, apparently)
http://www.introspectiv.eclipse.co.uk/ - partial re-issue
808 : there should be one, but don't ask me where to find it.
EmptySet wrote:I'd like to see a reissue of the Jupiter 8. With a nice MIDI implementation (arp via MIDI, etc). I wouldn't even be upset if it cost a little.
I'd like to see the parts reissued as modules. Just try 1 single voice (2 x osc + filter + env), first - because you know that back in the day the Japanese synths sounded like plastic and not as big as the US ones :).
memo wrote:An analog VCO polysynth with a switch that enables digital control on the VCOs - making them DCOs.
JoMoX Sunsyn not an option? Comes in 8-voice version, too, ask forum member dr00lmaster who's got one :).
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Post by nahpets » Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:31 pm

Soundwave wrote:
nahpets wrote:an additive fm synth !
FM is a form of additive synthesis!:roll:
thats a matter of opinion, imho...

fm synthesis is different to additive synthesis. and these both would complement each other very well. there are some additive fm synth available in software. linplug octopuss for example. but the additive part gets a bad deal, and is very limited. i think of such a thing, fully featured, with envelopes for each harmonic and formant filters etc....

it should be hardware since i don´t use software synth a lot...

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Post by JUGEL » Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:57 pm

Yoozer wrote:
A re-issue of the TB-303, TR-909, and TR-808.
Done: http://www.acidlab.de and http://www.ladyada.net/make/x0xb0x/ and http://www.future-retro.com/REVOLUTION.html - of course they don't look the same. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~concu ... /tb303.htm even, but they had to drop the keyboard (it's just not easy to get this done, apparently)
http://www.introspectiv.eclipse.co.uk/ - partial re-issue
808 : there should be one, but don't ask me where to find it.
bah .. no-way none of those are really a re-issue
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Post by wiss » Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:01 pm

something I stick on top of my head and run into some kind of machine that can reproduce what I thinking. Both tone and notes.
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Post by Yoozer » Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:31 pm

JUGEL wrote: bah .. no-way none of those are really a re-issue
Asking Roland to make one is like asking Ford to make a Model T again. In their opinion, they have better stuff now ;).

Rather a re-make than just re-miniscing.
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Post by hyphen nation » Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:20 pm

or like asking fender to re-issue the 72 telecaster, or the Jazzmaster? Gibson re-issuing gold top les pauls?

or the fact that a whole host of boutique manufacturers have sprung up making perfect clones of vintage amps...?

granted none of these are one to one when talking about electronic instruments, but it Roland could set up a small division like, "Roland Classic" or something that keeps their back catalog of products coming out...or take the effing hint, and develop something NEW that would appeal to the users of VSE...like some kind of roland premium brand that develops products that aren't going to appeal to the masses, but may command DSI, Moog, Jomox, etc level of instrument quality, professional respect?

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Post by Yoozer » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:59 am

hyphen nation wrote:or like asking fender to re-issue the 72 telecaster, or the Jazzmaster? Gibson re-issuing gold top les pauls?
Guitars haven't changed that much compared to synths, plus those brands can milk famous names.
or the fact that a whole host of boutique manufacturers have sprung up making perfect clones of vintage amps...?
Well, that's why the alternatives exist, right?
but Roland could set up a small division like, "Roland Classic" or something that keeps their back catalog of products coming out...or take the effing hint, and develop something NEW that would appeal to the users of VSE...
"Hello there, mr Kakehashi! Yeah, me and a few of my mates were wondering if you could like, start up an entirely new production line to revive analog hardware synthesis. No, not many people, I think about 2 dozen at most. No, it's not much, hehe, I know. What? Expensive? Of course not, surely you can build a Jupiter 8 for $1200. No? WHAT? $8000? But... but.. you can have an OASYS for that!

Also, what do you mean, all those engineers have either died or gone to greener pa$ture$? What's that last thing you said - the 'we design the future'? Surely, that means you should be investigating 30 year old technology?

Right?"
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Post by hyphen nation » Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:03 am

Granted I wouldn't assume to know what makes business sense to Roland, but I can tell you that there are plenty of other manufacturers making instruments that are far more compelling than anything Roland has put out in close to two decades...

Plenty of brands put out limited edition products that give value to the mass produced products found everywhere...look at nike...selling small run sneakers at exclusive boutiques, and huge runs of more generic products...Roland could reissue the 909, 808, 303, etc, at prices that compete with what is currently in the market [Elektron, Jomox, Future Retro, etc]...I am willing to bet that they'd sell more than a dozen...and it could be a loss leader that lends authenticity / credibility to a brand with a pretty weak image right now...the xbox has helped make the Microsoft brand relevant to the gamer community...and they lose $ on each one...

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Post by steveman » Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:01 pm

hyphen nation wrote:Granted I wouldn't assume to know what makes business sense to Roland, but I can tell you that there are plenty of other manufacturers making instruments that are far more compelling than anything Roland has put out in close to two decades...

Plenty of brands put out limited edition products that give value to the mass produced products found everywhere...look at nike...selling small run sneakers at exclusive boutiques, and huge runs of more generic products...Roland could reissue the 909, 808, 303, etc, at prices that compete with what is currently in the market [Elektron, Jomox, Future Retro, etc]...I am willing to bet that they'd sell more than a dozen...and it could be a loss leader that lends authenticity / credibility to a brand with a pretty weak image right now...the xbox has helped make the Microsoft brand relevant to the gamer community...and they lose $ on each one...
Suggesting a successful business start selling loss leaders isn't really that clever :wink: . Roland are still selling plenty of stuff, though we may not like any of it.
The Xbox ain't a great comparison either, MSFT claim they do aim to make money on them eventually, thing is with $48bn in cash they can afford to wait a long time...

Doing an exclusive pair of sneakers is a bit different than setting up production of instruments based on completely different technology than anything they currently do, even if they could find the engineers to design them.

The small boutique companies are successful precisely because they are small. [/i]

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Post by JUGEL » Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:36 pm

Roland should just close down their synth division. At least the "groove" divsion.

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Post by i_watch_stars » Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:54 am

The JP-9000.

Andromeda A6.... IN RACK FORM.

..but most of all, what should exist but doesn't is a decent, user friendly, intuitive interface for an FM synthesizer. I don't care about anything else, all you synth geniuses need to figure THAT ONE out first.

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Post by MrFrodo » Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:26 pm

Are there any digital versions of the ElectroComp 300 controller, or the VCS3, Synthi A or Synthi AKS?

And, I wouldn't count the Korg Kaoss Pad series, even though it's got "internal sounds." I mean, a self-contained instrument that's got Buchla-style trigger pads with variable pitch counters.
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