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Sherman filter bank or Metasonix added to my setup?

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:43 pm
by michael stein
I am considering buying a standalone unit that will allow me to easily get that overdriven tube/feedback sound. In my opinion all the metasonix demos almost sound the same for every product so I am thinking it might not be to versatile. At one time I wanted a Metasonix oscillator but then I read it could only be pitched to scale for only an octave or two. So, now I am considering getting the Sherman filterbank. What are anyones opinions between the two products? Lets say if I wanted to end up with something close to the........? might be cliche but, the "Justice" sound.
Thanks,
-michael-

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:52 pm
by wiss
the sherman filter shouldnt be called a sherman filter.....it should be called, you are only getting super harsh ear ripping gut turning sounds out of this machine that would have preachers want to perform an exosrist on the spot.

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:53 pm
by hey_timj
never played with a metasonix device before, but i am sure that these are two very different machines. if you are only looking for nasty feedback sounds, i would say go with the relative simplicity of the metasonix product. the sherman is very versatile, sometimes too versatile, i'd say, and it can take a long time to really find the sound you want. the fun part is that you come up with a million other cool sounds in the process, sounds you couldn't even imagine getting using other devices.

i love the sherman, and i'd be willing to bet it can get nastier than the metasonix stuff, too.

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:30 pm
by michael stein
Thanks hey_timj,
i think the sherman makes more sense, (i'm sure it can be subtle? at times?). Time to save $$$.

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:37 pm
by GeneralBigbag
wiss wrote:the sherman filter shouldnt be called a sherman filter.....it should be called, you are only getting super harsh ear ripping gut turning sounds out of this machine that would have preachers want to perform an exosrist on the spot.
It's only called that by people who haven't gotten into it...yes it's no Moog ladder, but you can get some beautiful, delicate sounds out of it once you know how to look.

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:07 pm
by hey_timj
michael stein wrote:Thanks hey_timj,
i think the sherman makes more sense, (i'm sure it can be subtle? at times?). Time to save $$$.
my answer is: not really. i mean, unless you just mix in more of the dry signal. it really makes your sound dirtier, no matter what the settings are on it. definitely, some sounds are dirtier than others but i don't think i've ever got it to behave smoothly. it's for being unpredictable.

every piece of gear has sort of a default personality. it's possible to stray outside of that personality sometimes, but those are the exceptions.

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:22 pm
by crystalmsc
there are two filters that got me interested lately, on is the VF-1 and the other is the sebatron copernicus, looks like both going to be a nice alternative selection too.

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:10 pm
by shaft9000
GeneralBigbag wrote:
wiss wrote:the sherman filter shouldnt be called a sherman filter.....it should be called, you are only getting super harsh ear ripping gut turning sounds out of this machine that would have preachers want to perform an exosrist on the spot.
It's only called that by people who haven't gotten into it...yes it's no Moog ladder, but you can get some beautiful, delicate sounds out of it once you know how to look.
+ 1 with emphasis


User opinions of the Sherman filterbank generally are ignorant and snoozy unless the person meets the following requirements:

1. They've owned one for at least 6 months and used it on many tracks
2. They make something besides loud, distorted banging dance music all the time

Above all, the Sherman is a semi-modular synthesizer minus oscillators. There is a 3-shape LFO, 2 EGs, FM and AM. It isn't just an envelope-follower+distorted filter box....that's only about 10% of what it does well.
If you can't imagine what else to do with it, then it's probably not for you...after all there are plenty of other ways to 'destroy your sound' - I use the FB for creating new ones. That's what a synthesizer is for.

The gain oversaturation is entirely avoidable. Keep the input under 4 for most signals and you should be fine. You might want to plug a dummy cord to the ADSR-in to keep the gate open, or set it to 'sensi-trig'(mk 2 only). You may also wish to compress the signal before sending it through the Sherman. It does love to distort, albiet in quite a musical way after much practice...


Proof:

Except for the bassline(fr777), the following clip was made entirely by running 3 tracks of bland vanilla Supernova 2 patches ( a simple 2-osc patch & white noise) through the filters, LFO and FM mods on the Sherman:

http://www.awrongturn.com/shaft9000LUSHATMOSPHERES.mp3

note: the 'fluttering chord' effect is a re-process to give further LFO & AM to the chords. In other words, it was recorded going through the Sherman, then sent outboard and processed thru the Sherman again before mixdown.

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:20 pm
by tom Cadillac
I'v got a metasonix tm1, but have never used a filter bank. I'd say go with the filterbank as it must be way more versatile than the metasonix i have, - which is unique, but limited. I love the concept of tubes randomly messing up the signal and it goes well with strong analogue signals - but is v fussy. If you put something too subtle/weak through it, then it gets underfed. They advise putting signals through a distortion/preamp - we're talking rough treatment here. Personally using high tech to get a low-fi sounds works for me. But.....

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:28 pm
by synapsecollapse
shaft9000 wrote:
GeneralBigbag wrote:
wiss wrote:the sherman filter shouldnt be called a sherman filter.....it should be called, you are only getting super harsh ear ripping gut turning sounds out of this machine that would have preachers want to perform an exosrist on the spot.
It's only called that by people who haven't gotten into it...yes it's no Moog ladder, but you can get some beautiful, delicate sounds out of it once you know how to look.
+ 1 with emphasis


User opinions of the Sherman filterbank generally are ignorant and snoozy unless the person meets the following requirements:

1. They've owned one for at least 6 months and used it on many tracks
2. They make something besides loud, distorted banging dance music all the time

Above all, the Sherman is a semi-modular synthesizer minus oscillators. There is a 3-shape LFO, 2 EGs, FM and AM. It isn't just an envelope-follower+distorted filter box....that's only about 10% of what it does well.
If you can't imagine what else to do with it, then it's probably not for you...after all there are plenty of other ways to 'destroy your sound' - I use the FB for creating new ones. That's what a synthesizer is for.

The gain oversaturation is entirely avoidable. Keep the input under 4 for most signals and you should be fine. You might want to plug a dummy cord to the ADSR-in to keep the gate open, or set it to 'sensi-trig'(mk 2 only). You may also wish to compress the signal before sending it through the Sherman. It does love to distort, albiet in quite a musical way after much practice...


Proof:

Except for the bassline(fr777), the following clip was made entirely by running 3 tracks of bland vanilla Supernova 2 patches ( a simple 2-osc patch & white noise) through the filters, LFO and FM mods on the Sherman:

http://www.awrongturn.com/shaft9000LUSHATMOSPHERES.mp3

note: the 'fluttering chord' effect is a re-process to give further LFO & AM to the chords. In other words, it was recorded going through the Sherman, then sent outboard and processed thru the Sherman again before mixdown.
+2

i am actually borowwing shaft9000's SFii right now, and i was imdeiately turned off when i started using it mostly because of what i thought was its "one trick" it makes soounds sound MEAN, but i spent some more time with it over the last day and decided there is a heck of a lot more it can do, by adding charachter that can be anywhere from agressive to warm to weird and most places inbetween!

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:35 pm
by shaft9000
heh, i see you like it better already, D. Careful...the FB2 can inspire massive GAS :lol:

btw that MEK is a blast, thanks again!

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:42 pm
by GeneralBigbag
It's only recently that I've come to appreciate how well the Sherman's envelope follower works. None of this harsh flutter on the note decay.

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 1:58 am
by dthestampede
gotta get a sherman fb someday. anyways i got an agonizer and it is overwhelmingly strong. loud when bypassed strong. nothing close to original signal strong. very F#CKIN SWEET but limited in its usefulness.

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:28 pm
by tallowwaters
this goes in sound production

warned.

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:38 pm
by AudiosEnvy
Filterbank 2 Rack... will be mine soon. The Filterbank series are some serious beasts and are more of a synth add-on then just a filter.