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alesis ion

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:59 am
by goober
Is it worth getting over the micron? Also does it not have a drum sequencer cause its not listed as a feature on the main website. I think I've pretty much narrowed down my decision on my first synth either a micron or ion. I really would like the drum sequencer but if its not on the ion I may pick the micron instead.

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:52 am
by supermel74
I'm pretty sure the Ion doesn't have the drum sequencer.

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:54 am
by goober
it has a normal sequencer though right? also check out this guy's real acoustic imitations with the ion, i almost find it unbelievable how realistic some of the sounds are.
http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2005/11 ... hardt.html

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:58 am
by supermel74
goober wrote:it has a normal sequencer though right? also check out this guy's real acoustic imitations with the ion, i almost find it unbelievable how realistic some of the sounds are.
http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2005/11 ... hardt.html
not sure about that. It does have an arpeggiator though which is similar and some preset drum rhythms too I believe.. They're definately good sounding synths.

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:23 pm
by Big Gnome
No sequencer on the Ion, but it does have an arpeggiator (and if you are really a glutton for punishment, you can make a pretty convincing approximation of a sequencer by programing the intervals into the tracking generator, triggering it with a ramp wave LFO, and patching the stepped output to note pitch)

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:38 pm
by Entropy Farmer
goober wrote:it has a normal sequencer though right? also check out this guy's real acoustic imitations with the ion, i almost find it unbelievable how realistic some of the sounds are.
http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2005/11 ... hardt.html
God damn it, I listened to that and now I'm looking at them on Ebay. It's either an Ion or a DSS-1 + ESQ-m. Not all three. Really. I promised myself. I can stop any time I want. STOP LOOKING AT ME LIKE THAT!

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:50 pm
by alfadawg01
Why would you want to create accurate acoustic imitations on an Ion, or any other VA, for that matter? If you want to sound like a tuba, use sample-playback or the real deal. Use VA or RA to create what you hear in your head and what no acoustic instrument can do.

OK. I feel better now. I'll put the soapbox away....

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:00 pm
by JMP
alfadawg01 wrote:Why would you want to create accurate acoustic imitations on an Ion, or any other VA, for that matter?
Probably for the sheer satisfaction of establishing whether it can be accomplished...? They are very good.

Just sold the Micron I took in part ex on another sale due to its lack of hands on programming control. Forgetting the price difference, the ION is a far more attractive option with the programming interface and larger keyboard. Just watch out for ones with dodgy audio outputs, mine had these (very low output only) and appears could be a common problem.

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:18 am
by killedaway
let's accept those "Ion demos" of acoustic instruments for what they are: sound samples on the internet. NOTHING more.

and if you're looking to buy an Ion in order to emulate those sounds, don't bother. save yourself the disappointment.

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:52 am
by supermel74
killedaway wrote:let's accept those "Ion demos" of acoustic instruments for what they are: sound samples on the internet. NOTHING more.

and if you're looking to buy an Ion in order to emulate those sounds, don't bother. save yourself the disappointment.
are you implying that those demos were not made using an Ion or that they would just be too hard for your average user to emulate?

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:52 am
by GeneralBigbag
FWIW, Elhard's method for piano synthesis does work, I've rigged something pretty convincing up on my Nord Modular following his ideas.

OTOH, it seems pointless to go to great lengths to emulate real instruments with a VA when there are so many good sample sets out there.

That said, the Ion is a very powerful VA, and very deep. It could use either an analog filter or distortion pedal at the end to warm it up a little, but other than that, it's solid.

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:54 am
by Wiglaf
supermel74 wrote:
killedaway wrote:let's accept those "Ion demos" of acoustic instruments for what they are: sound samples on the internet. NOTHING more.

and if you're looking to buy an Ion in order to emulate those sounds, don't bother. save yourself the disappointment.
are you implying that those demos were not made using an Ion
They're not. He claimed they were...but this is the same guy who made the Bahn Sage, and maybe the SMS 2000. He refused to post the patches for download too.

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:58 am
by supermel74
Wiglaf wrote:
supermel74 wrote:
killedaway wrote:let's accept those "Ion demos" of acoustic instruments for what they are: sound samples on the internet. NOTHING more.

and if you're looking to buy an Ion in order to emulate those sounds, don't bother. save yourself the disappointment.
are you implying that those demos were not made using an Ion
They're not. He claimed they were...but this is the same guy who made the Bahn Sage, and maybe the SMS 2000. He refused to post the patches for download too.
:shock: Is this guy selling an Ion? If so, that's pretty low if he's intentionally deceiving people to make a sale. Either way it's pretty odd.

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:03 am
by goober
nah, he's not selling an ion I just searched alesis ion demos and his site came up.

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:05 pm
by simplesizer
hay there
iv not long sold my ion and if you really want to get one i would advise you find a shop that will let you a play it first cos thats what i should of done, i just couldnt get on with it dont get me wrong a nice synth and it looks the nutts but i was so disapointed in it fistly i the menu is a little hard to get on with and unless your standing right over the thing you cant see the lcd display very well or not at all i used it in my band and low light this was well anoing, the metal body if well stong but the keys feel a little flimsy, i really didnt find it that nice or easy to program wich is why i wanted one (mmm all them lovely control knobs) but i found it easer and more enjoyable on my mircokoge and the arp is better on the micro, i did like the taptempo on the ion, but it dose have some really fat synth sounds but acoustic instruments there are far better one out there then whats on the ion
im not saying its a bad synth this is just my points of view i hope this helps