+1000Juno6 wrote:Hi again James,carbon111 wrote:You wouldn't know the difference with today's hardware because they are just time/level curves. They would be identical.Juno6 wrote:
Having simple digital ADSRs have not advantages over analog ADSRs to me.
Back in the days of the Z80 type processors you would see the difference easily in slowness, slop and quantization - today those things don't have to be an issue at all.
There still IS a difference. As an A6 owner I can testify that if you modulate an oscillator´s pitch with it´s envelope (env1) over a big range with a fast decay time there´s a clear quantization effect. Same happens with most digital LFOs when you take them to the fastest rates.
That´s why Sunsyn uses analogue envelopes and lfos at an added cost.
Having said that, there are better (digital) envs than others. The JP6 is from the same age of the P600 and has 16 bit envelopes...
If I had to design a synth, I´d put digital AND analogue LFOs and Envs. Analog LFOs for fast rates, and digital ones to have midi-sync. Also digital envs for complexity, and analogue ones for fast and wide modulation.
i love my A6 but can confirm this all the way.
theory that u cannot discern btwn a new digital env and an analog, because of developments in cpu, is just wishfull thinking or educated bs. soone as you play arorund n tweak a digital env a bit, you can easily get it to reveal stepping.play a nice snappy vintage after this.. and smiel comes back to your face.
non of the digi mod sources are as smooth as pure analog. yet. this works better for some things than others. as not all are used under xtreme conditions. i like most on A6, but PWM, audio rate LFOs, and snappy percussive envs are three places where sofware generated mod does not work so well.
after playin A6, soon as i fire up jup8, its night n day. you hear immediatelly what a world of difference a good snappy n smooth hardware envelope makes. dont get me wrong, A6 is fairly "fast", and DSI stuff is very very fast as well, but there's more to a good env than speed.
btw Juno6, your idea of combining digi and analog envs, that's what i always thought an ideal new polyphonic should have. funny enough, in a way, Oberheim OB-8 had this already, 25 yrs ago. (CEM3310 envs plus digi envs on page2).