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Re: Back in the Yamaha CS Club

Post by soundxplorer » Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:52 am

Mixolydian wrote:
1. Fast filter - One of the fastest analog filters I've ever heard.
What do you mean by a "fast" filter?

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Re: Back in the Yamaha CS Club

Post by Mixolydian » Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:49 pm

soundxplorer wrote:
Mixolydian wrote:
1. Fast filter - One of the fastest analog filters I've ever heard.
What do you mean by a "fast" filter?
A traditional subtractive synth like the CS-10 produces a soundwave in the oscillator stage, then sends it to the filter, and then to the amp section. The VCF (filter) removes elements from the original waveform, but also affects the initial attack, or speed which the note sounds. The CS-10 has a seperate envelope generator for the VCF. If the attack is set to its lowest value, it will sound fast. This is useful for lead or fast arpeggios when many notes are played in quick succession. It also makes notes, especially bass notes, sound punchy.

Since the CS-10 has two envelope generators, the attack speed can be increased or slowed in the VCA as well.

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Post by BritSynths » Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:58 pm

I use to own both a CS-5 and a CS-15

Find the CS-5 a bit limited nowadays, it was my first proper synth when I got it, but would love to have my CS-15 back
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Post by OriginalJambo » Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:48 pm

Don't you mean fast envelope generators?

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Post by Mixolydian » Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:03 pm

OriginalJambo wrote:Don't you mean fast envelope generators?
Yea, I guess that would be the proper term, however, most people refer the attribute as fast filters - probably originates from modulars.
BritSynths wrote:I use to own both a CS-5 and a CS-15

Find the CS-5 a bit limited nowadays, it was my first proper synth when I got it, but would love to have my CS-15 back
I'd also love to get a CS-15. Still the CS-10 will punch out great bass, good squares, and a wonderful flute. I was thinking about modding mine with a switch to turn off the LFO. I've seen a few CS-15s that have had that done to them.

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Post by Micke » Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:35 pm

FWIW the CS-10 was the only synth used in the making of Spandau Ballet's debut album "Journeys To Glory".
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Post by drummy » Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:44 pm

I use the CS-5. I like it a lot. Cute little synth, yet strangely powerful...

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Post by nathanscribe » Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:00 pm

The CS-5 is pretty flexible, I think, for what you get - the relatively speedy LFO and multimode filter give it added usefulness. The 15 is nice too, but much less immediate for its felxibility. I'd like to get my hands on a 30 just to see if I could actually use it...

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Post by etcetera » Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:35 pm

The 15 is nice too, but much less immediate for its felxibility. I'd like to get my hands on a 30 just to see if I could actually use it...
Hey, the 30 has more of everything. How can you not use that?

The 30 is more confusing initially, but once you get used to it, you don't want to back to the 10 or 15.

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Post by BritSynths » Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:00 pm

The other thing not mentioned is that the lower range CS synths (5,10,16,30) are built like tanks, compared to the Moogs, Korgs and Rolands I had at that time.

Never seen one of the wooden variety CS synths (CS-15D) to comment on their build quality
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Post by Joey » Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:10 pm

drummy wrote:I use the CS-5. I like it a lot. Cute little synth, yet strangely powerful...
yeah for real.

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Post by otto » Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:07 am

etcetera wrote:
The 15 is nice too, but much less immediate for its felxibility. I'd like to get my hands on a 30 just to see if I could actually use it...
Hey, the 30 has more of everything. How can you not use that?

The 30 is more confusing initially, but once you get used to it, you don't want to back to the 10 or 15.
I think the CS-30 makes more sense than people tend to say it does. I mean it's all in front of you - theres just so much of it your forced to review what you have done in creating a patch and think about it. On the other hand this is easier than some new synths where the modulation routings and such are burried in menus. If I was of mroe of the collecting mentalityand had the budget, I would buy another CS-30 in a second.
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Post by Neonlights84 » Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:55 am

Micke wrote:FWIW the CS-10 was the only synth used in the making of Spandau Ballet's debut album "Journeys To Glory".
Really? An entire album with just CS-10? That's awesome. How do you find this stuff out?
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Post by Micke » Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:45 pm

Yes, it was the only synth used on that album alongside guitar, bass, drums, percussion etc. Richard James Burgess (the producer of Spandau's first two albums) told me this a while ago.

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Post by Bitexion » Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:49 pm

That being said, they still used guitars, vocals and drums played by real people. A whole album made with ONLY a CS-10 would sound pretty boring after 5 minutes :)

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