A few sounds I've programmed on the Prophet '08

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Post by code green » Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:54 am

yeah james, thanks much for the samples--was very excited to hear some more sides of this synth.

(i also like the p600 sample, but then again it's the synth i'm spending the most time with these days).

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edit: more and more with your samples, the overall sonic character of the p08 strikes me as a cross b/w the evolver and the p600...which i guess is another way of saying, it has that dsi/sci sound in spades.

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Post by carbon111 » Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:56 am

Jazzpunk wrote:
carbon111 wrote:I edited the above post to say it was recorded really hot...there may be some clipping. I dunno, I give up ;)

FWIW, all the sounds I posted have some filter FM and tend toward bright/brash timbres...the Prophet'08 will also do mellow pretty well. Ski's demos are a better indicator of overall timbre...
I had inquired about the clipping only because I had heard this could be an an issue with the Evolvers and was wondering if the '08 had inherited this issue as well.

Don't give up now! I know you had one lame a*s comment on another forum (also noticed there was no link to any music he had done!) but there are alot of us who can't wait to hear more. :D
The clipping on the volver is a harsh digital thing caused by overdriving the D/A converters. The P'08 won't do that. Any clipping is due to my inexperience with my recently aquired M-Audio Microtrack 24/96 field recorder.

I've just added four more crappy demos to the original post:

http://www.carbon111.com/prophet08/bassy.mp3

http://www.carbon111.com/prophet08/churchy.mp3

http://www.carbon111.com/prophet08/stringy.mp3

http://www.carbon111.com/prophet08/paddy.mp3

I'm either a masochist or this is an attempt to develop "thicker skin" ;)
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Post by Ski » Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:07 am

James and Jazzpunk -

Both the Evolver AND the P'08 give you the tools to hurt yourself, should you so desire. :) You CAN get internal clipping on the P'08 if you overdrive a gain stage, though with an all analog signal chain, the effect is not nearly so harsh as on the Evo. Depending upon where the problem is in the signal chain, backing off the "Voice Volume", VCA amount, or the Master Volume a bit will take care of it.

Here's an example of some unintentional internal clipping:

http://www.ex5tech.com/demos/Prophet_'0 ... _Bliss.mp3

...and some intentional internal clipping:

http://www.ex5tech.com/demos/Prophet_'0 ... Tarkus.mp3


:)
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Post by Jazzpunk » Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:08 am

Very nice. Sounds like you have the makings for a new song in 'Paddy'. :D

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Post by carbon111 » Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:12 am

Ski, that apostrophe breaks your links on this forum :(
Ouch! I haven't been able to get mine to do that. I guess I'm not trying hard enough ;)

Thanks for the info re clipping...I'll dig deeper as the days progress.
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Post by sizzlemeister » Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:15 am

Jazzpunk wrote:
I had inquired about the clipping only because I had heard this could be an an issue with the Evolvers and was wondering if the '08 had inherited this issue as well.
That's a conversation Jame, Stefan, perhaps Ski a little, and myself have been having pubickly since the P'08 announcement. You have to take it as a relative matter. It's really only extreme programming circumstances that put you up against the Evolver's converters. If it were not, then A LOT of people would have complained about it starting when the first desktop Evolvers came out. I've only seen a small handful of complaints about it over the past few years - some of them from me. It's not a bug, or a common issue or any reason to NOT consider an Evolver.

So, to set the record straight, I would imagine that in most circumstances with the Evolver if you were to cause clipping in the converters - you probably LIKE IT because of the extremes you have to take the Evolver to clip the converters.

Also, FWIW, the Evolvers do a lot more sonic damage than the P'08, I can tell that now that enough demos, specs, and reviews have come out. I sold my Q knowing my PEK can easily do the sounds I liked from the Q and do them better thanks to the architecture. It's pretty obvious that someone won't buy a P'08 to challenge a Q in the grit, gristle, and sizzle department. A PEK can.

IMHO the only real question when it comes to comparing the P'08 and the PEK is - do you need an aggressive, blood-splattering sonic assault weapon or do you need a bard's instrument for whispy meadows and tall mountains? That about sums up the difference as far as I can tell.

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Post by crystalmsc » Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:13 am

thanks for the P08 exlopration topic james, it's filled with great demos and on demand conversation.
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Post by Ski » Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:41 am

carbon111 wrote:Ski, that apostrophe breaks your links on this forum :(
Yeah, I know. But dB :twisted: put the fear of God in me with regards to EVER seeing the name of this synth WITHOUT the apostrophe! :shock:

:arrow: BTW, I emailed a little toy to your verizon address. Let me know if by chance you don't get it.

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Post by Dave Bryce » Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:52 am

Ski wrote:
carbon111 wrote:Ski, that apostrophe breaks your links on this forum :(
Yeah, I know. But dB :twisted: put the fear of God in me with regards to EVER seeing the name of this synth WITHOUT the apostrophe! :shock:
C'mon, Ski - even I wouldn't bust yer chops if it breaks a link... :roll: :wink:

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Post by Neonlights84 » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:00 am

tallowwaters wrote:
Bitexion wrote:I don't know what KSS is :oops:
quick aside - KSS is harmony central's Keys Synths and Samplers forum.
Yea i used to post there....but they just talked about motif's and what not.

PS nice demo's dude...i went from eh on the thing to totally excited about it. Well done.
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Post by Jazzpunk » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:07 am

Ski wrote:Both the Evolver AND the P'08 give you the tools to hurt yourself, should you so desire. :) You CAN get internal clipping on the P'08 if you overdrive a gain stage, though with an all analog signal chain, the effect is not nearly so harsh as on the Evo. Depending upon where the problem is in the signal chain, backing off the "Voice Volume", VCA amount, or the Master Volume a bit will take care of it.
sizzlemeister wrote:So, to set the record straight, I would imagine that in most circumstances with the Evolver if you were to cause clipping in the converters - you probably LIKE IT because of the extremes you have to take the Evolver to clip the converters.
Thanks for the info.

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Post by Ski » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:27 am

James - OK, so I *finally* got home and was able to download and listen to your eight demos. Very nice sounds and nice job for what they are - quick sound demos! And for the record, you had far less unintentional clipping than I did in the 80+ demos I put together in one crazy overnight session! :) I didn't check *every* peak in every mp3, but I think Sizzle may have caught the one and only mp3 where you actually clipped the converters in your recorder more than once (a few spots in "demo3"). The only other place I noticed what looked like clipped converters was at the end of "demo1".

The other instances of clipping I saw (also in "demo3", and a few in "stringy") look like mild internal clipping in the P'08 to me, though I could be wrong.

Whoops... almost forgot... I also listened you your blackriver.mp3, and liked that a lot!

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Post by DocT » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:54 am

sizzlemeister wrote: IMHO the only real question when it comes to comparing the P'08 and the PEK is - do you need an aggressive, blood-splattering sonic assault weapon or do you need a bard's instrument for whispy meadows and tall mountains? That about sums up the difference as far as I can tell.
Excellent description.

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Post by jp8080 » Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:50 pm

carbon111 wrote:
All part of the "America Syndrome" - we want it all and we want it yesterday. For free. :D
or rather the human condition. i think it has little to do with america.

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Post by carbon111 » Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:56 pm

jp8080 wrote:or rather the human condition. i think it has little to do with america.
Eh, maybe.

Americans are pretty damn spoiled compared to other so-called developed countries - look at the content of our pop culture and the people we revere. ;)

Sooooo, whatcha think of the ol' Prophet '08?
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