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Matrix 1000 vs matrix 6

Post by laserboy » Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:39 pm

im thinking to buy one of these...are they really similar? or are there any differences..
from what i read the architecture is the same except an lfo i think.
is it necessary to have them both?

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Re: Matrix 1000 vs matrix 6

Post by shaft9000 » Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:04 pm

laserboy wrote: is it necessary to have them both?

Suuuuuuure , and grab a Cheetah ms6 while yer at it, chief :idea:

unless you need more than 6 voices, no it makes no real difference whether its a 6, 1000 or ms6(this has a couple differences but use the same guts)
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Post by ostrovitch » Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:59 pm

In my humble opinion the best is:

2 X Matrix 1000 (they are mono).

If you chain them, you get a 12 voices Poly synth with 1000 sounds inside.
(and you could pan them as you want, but you will never get a M12 of course).
Or you get a 6 voices with 4 DCO's stacked, you even could detune the two M1000 for a more fat sound.
I think 2 Matrix1000 are near the same price as a matrix 6, but I prefer the option of 2 M1000.
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Post by laserboy » Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:20 pm

two matrix 1000?
does it sounds cool..?? or just like 2 synths?

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Post by ostrovitch » Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:57 pm

it sounds like 1 synth stereo, with 12 voices, or a 6 voices with a more rich sound, because you could stack two patches, and even could detune them. I tried, I had 2 like this before. Of course, needs to have a computer with editor, to edit them...It's exactly the same sound engine as the matrix 6.
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Post by stalla » Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:54 pm

I owned a Matrix 1000, and resold it. It was a nightmare to program ( according to my limited patience standards ). I had a peavy PC1600 to control it too, but it was rather laggy... That said, I always found the sound good. I missed its basses until I got a cs15.
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Post by laserboy » Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:57 pm

i have an access programmer for the matrix..
but i think i cant control them both together independent

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Post by supermel74 » Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:39 am

Can the Matrix 1000 be programmed and controlled from a normal midi keyboard? Does it respond to control changes etc?

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Post by ostrovitch » Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:59 am

laserboy wrote:i have an access programmer for the matrix..
but i think i cant control them both together independent
Maybe no, but it's very easy to duplicate the patch to the second M1000
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Post by SWAN » Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:39 pm

supermel74 wrote:Can the Matrix 1000 be programmed and controlled from a normal midi keyboard? Does it respond to control changes etc?
No-it has few midi CCs. It is programmed by sysex. Ive been trying to make a Novation SL template for it without much success-but Im a noob at SYSex tho Im sure it can be done....doesnt seem like anyone around here can help with my falling thread regarding this...

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Post by logicalhippo » Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:13 pm

Another thing to consider is that the matrix 6 came out at the absolute dawn of MIDI. As was mentioned in a similar thread recently, the matrix 6 crashes ALL the time.

I am a proud owner of a 6r, but honestly I would prefer one of the cream-colored 1000s, as they sound exactly the same but crash less often (still isn't exactly stable when it comes to programming).

Both can control some parameters with CCs, but this is set in the patch, which is programmed with sysex. Modifying individual sysex parameters almost NEVER works on my 6R, and I've heard it's not really useful on the 1000s either.

These are a good way to get really intricate but still analog sounds. The 1000 is probably the cheapest to get a serious analog polysynth, but be prepared for some programming headaches.

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Post by otto » Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:04 pm

Since your doing a “vs” thread and I’ve been looking at these on and off and here are some of my thoughts.
- The Matrix 1000 is newer thus I would guess a little more reliable and hopefully they fixed some bugs
- The 6/6r is programmable from the front although it’s difficult enough it might as well not be. The matrix 1000 has to be programmed from software or another device.
- I don’t know what the patch storage on the 6/6r is but obviously it’s 1000 on the Matrix 1000, which is nice.
- Very miner complaint, I think the 6 and 6R are hideous and the 1000 isn’t beautiful but looks ok. Look would never stop me from buying something but since we are talking about very comparable synths, why not.

My conclusion is that for the same price I would but a Matrix 1000 over a 6 or 6r but if I were getting a particularly good deal on the 6 or 6r I’d buy one.

These are a great value anyway you look at it, compare the specs to the new Prophet ’08 (besides the obvious lack of programming control and the real time issues).
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Post by MrFrodo » Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:40 pm

I think I'd rather have 2 Matrix 6r's. Or, I'd get a Matrix 6 keyboard and a 6r module. Maybe lless presets, but you can program either of them a whole lot easier on their own panel(s) than the 1000.
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Post by energetik » Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:11 am

logicalhippo wrote:Another thing to consider is that the matrix 6 came out at the absolute dawn of MIDI. As was mentioned in a similar thread recently, the matrix 6 crashes ALL the time.

I am a proud owner of a 6r, but honestly I would prefer one of the cream-colored 1000s, as they sound exactly the same but crash less often (still isn't exactly stable when it comes to programming).

Both can control some parameters with CCs, but this is set in the patch, which is programmed with sysex. Modifying individual sysex parameters almost NEVER works on my 6R, and I've heard it's not really useful on the 1000s either.

These are a good way to get really intricate but still analog sounds. The 1000 is probably the cheapest to get a serious analog polysynth, but be prepared for some programming headaches.
I have a white face Matrix 1000 and its still pretty laggy. This is because of the programming implementation that pretty much floods the chip with info that it can't cope with all at once.

However I like mine and I think it sounds great. You just have to accept the limitations and realize that it won't be a performance synth as you can't change parameters without getting stuck notes and lag. It's a pain in the a*s, but not so much if you're after a certain sound and need only time to find it. It sounds better for leads and pads, and effects than for basses though. But that's what other synths are for! :wink:
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Post by Altitude » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:40 am

otto wrote:ch storage on the 6/6r is but obviously it’s 1000 on the Matrix 1000, which is nice.
Um, actually there are 200 user presets on the 1000, the other 800 are ROMd

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