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Post by carbon111 » Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:03 pm

sizzlemeister wrote: I haven't misunderstood.

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Whatever works is all. I much prefer the practical/pragmatic to anything else - which means if it's "cheap" monitors and Behringer mixers then so be it as long as the craft is being practiced with heart and soul.
You have misunderstood. If someone with a modest setup, or even a box with rubber bands around it, is making great music, thats excellent! Thats what its all about! More power to them! :)

I'm talking about spending a ton of cash on a synth(s) and next to nothing on monitors. I find it odd, and its something I see a lot.

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Post by sizzlemeister » Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:30 pm

Yoozer wrote: Yeah, actually it's (more than) enough, but methinks you'd get a bit more joy out of proper listening equipment. No sense buying a Mini for the low end only to have none of it because you're using iPod earbuds, right?
I don't agree. Ever play an analog synth through an old Acoustic 250 watt bass head and a 6x10 bass cabinet very loud? That's a pretty crappy monitor but damn does it sound the s**t.

"Proper" listening equipment - like ultra-expensive studio monitors? Who is the snob that is going to define "proper listening equipment" for the masses?

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Post by JUGEL » Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:35 pm

I'd have to agree with Sizzle... what ever works.

It's funny .. after all these years I don't think I've ever heard monitors that I find "pleasing". I'd rather crank out a shitty amp or broken AIWA stereo most of time.. Monitors can really kill my creative mood sometimes .. sterilized!

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Post by carbon111 » Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:37 pm

sizzlemeister wrote: I don't agree. Ever play an analog synth through an old Acoustic 250 watt bass head and a 6x10 bass cabinet very loud? That's a pretty crappy monitor but damn does it sound the s**t.
You're talking about something completely different than I am because, so far, I've agreed with everything you've said (except your characterization of me as a snob or elitist) ;)
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Post by JUGEL » Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:16 pm

I've got shitty Samson's and a 75% broken Behringer amp. But with the money I save money on speakers and cable(make my own). ... I spend $100 every night I play for my own soundguy ... now that's getting the best of the gear I have .. there is no shame here.. nothing is going to waste..

actually.. I'm not guilty here .. because none of my synths are all that fancy.. carry on :) :o

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Post by JSRockit » Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:25 pm

carbon111 wrote:
I'm talking about spending a ton of cash on a synth(s) and next to nothing on monitors. I find it odd, and its something I see a lot.
I agree with carbon... it is odd when I see this. However, I guess people would say it is odd that I use $1000 monitors in an untreated room as well. That said, people have mixed some great music on Dell computer speakers. I have no idea how they do it...but some do it.
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Post by otto » Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:46 pm

gs wrote:
carbon111 wrote:My point was that you've got a synth worth, say, 20 grand (so you've obviously got the $$$) but you won't spend a couple grand so you can actually hear what it sounds like.

The expensive-synth/cheap-monitor says to me people care more about the fetish than the sound.
Combine that nugget of disturbing truth with all the close-up "knobby profile" pics of individual synths, and you really do get the picture. It's not like I don't have any knobby/slider-laden synths myself, but somehow I just prefer to spend more of my time playing them. Go figure. :dontknow:
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Post by REwire » Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:12 pm

Forget not spending money on monitors, how about not spending money on clothes and food? In fact I don't even have dishes, I eat off the same paper plate every day!
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Post by carbon111 » Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:22 pm

Got OT? :roll: :lol:

How about Orbital Decay's studio ...there's some beautiful synths there! :shock:
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Post by Zamise » Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:04 am

Monitors? That implies two or more :cry:

My theory, expensive synths are tellekinetically attracted to cheap monitors, sort of like Michal Jackson to Macaulay Culkin, tornados to trailer parks, cold to heat, zombies to brains, etc. etc.
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Post by sizzlemeister » Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:45 am

How many hits did these babies help mix?

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Or better (or worse, depending on your snob/pragmatist ratio) yet, these:

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Give me a break. Someone please answer the question of what is a "proper" monitor. Are there design parameters it must fall within? A certain response curve? Should they have a certain tweeter? Power handling? Or is it PRICE that determines when the monitors one has are "proper"?

I always thought it was the tools that allow the craftsman or artist to get the job done in the way they want to get it done were "proper" enough - not hype and snobbery of internet marketing and forum culture. The latter only leads to the homogeny we all like to think we live and operate in opposition to.

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Post by Jack Spider » Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:58 am

Okay, this is starting to go on a bit and I think we should leave it at that.

Sizzle - James is actually agreeing with you here - let's not pursue this further, eh? :wink:
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Post by carbon111 » Sat Nov 03, 2007 2:07 am

As I said, my comment only applied to the pricy-synth/c**p-monitors syndrome. I assume most folks record in their studios and without a flat, revealing monitor its very hard to hear whats going on in a mix. My only point was if you can spend thousands of dollars on a single synth, you could probably spend a grand on something to mix it with :D
Most cheap monitors and "hi-fi" speakers are anything but flat and, worse yet, have weird resonse curves intended to "flatter" the sound giving someone a very bad concept of what their mix actually sounds like.

The NS10s and the Auratones served the specific purpose for testing the translation of a mix to infinite baffle speakers like radios, boomboxes and TVs...they were never used as the only monitors in a studio...unless the person didn't know what they were for. :shock: ;)

I'm considering a pair of Avantones (a modern Auratone clone) or Pyramids myself for that very same reason.

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Oops. Posting while you were, Jack. I'm done.

I've been trying to tell sizzle all along that I agree with him :)
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Post by griffin avid » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:11 am

Someone please answer the question of what is a "proper" monitor. Are there design parameters it must fall within? A certain response curve? Should they have a certain tweeter? Power handling?
Yes. Is it suprising to imagine you can measure quality in a speaker?


You're comparing the idea of a subjective listening experience and liking the sound of a particular speaker verse the fidelity/quality of the signal leaving the speaker. Just because you may prefer the sound of a crappy room and speaker or don't care what effect it has on what you hear and how accurately - it doesn't change/negate the laws of physics in regard to acoustics.

Some people can compensate. Some choose not to. If your studio is all about sound design then maybe it's not a priority. But if you're mixing then you'll be fooled by the low end, and other anomalies, easily. So many guys say "It sounded different at my house" once they get in a proper environment with proper speakers. Deliberate use of the word proper.
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Post by Automatic Gainsay » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:52 am

neandrewthal wrote:So it appears the most popular synths on VSE are:


PS-3100
It's cool to see so many! I don't think I've ever seen this many PS-3100 owners in one place.
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