The Solaris

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Post by synthetic88 » Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:57 pm

with Stromberg still being vaporware, i dont know if there will in fact be some serious updates to the wavetabling engine, to filter/oscillator modelling and most importantly to analog filtering circuit (multimode please....!!!!), or it will turn out only a fancy-designed-repackaged Q+.
Solaris has a wavetable engine, at least the plug-in did. If it doesn't, it will: Bowen's other mega-plugin synth was a recreation of the Waldorf Wave, and he's hinted at plug-in expandability. I really hope he changes his mind about doing a rackmount version, since I don't have space for any more keyboards.
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Post by gallant steve » Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:10 pm

in some kind of way, this has a 'british' sound that reminds me of the EMS synths. looking forward to more:

http://www.johnbowen.com/MP3demos/MiniLP+OBNotch2.wav
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Post by johnb » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:22 am

Max Websta wrote:How about an optional ribbon controller similar to the one that is used by the Kurzweil k2661? The 600mm ribbon controller is programmable in three distinct zones or one long zone. There is an input for it right next to the pedal inputs. It's looks similar to a phone jack. I think it would add some very powerful control options. I thought that since the interface is already pretty full, an optional ribbon would be cool. It would sit perfectly in the space above the joystick or even a strip underneath the 10 knobs and buttons on the far right above the keys. I mean who wouldn't want one for their Solaris?
My thoughts exactly! I was looking at the Kurzweil ribbon, and mentioned it to my hardware engineer - but so far, we haven't found any specs on the connector's pin layouts. It's not too expensive, and although a little too long for that space on the right, you might be able to fit it if we change the panel by moving the alpha knob and keypad switches up a bit. (By the way, the double row of knobs below the lower right display are going to be changed to a single row. The Page buttons for the Envelope Select will be increased, from 3 pairs of envelopes to 6 separate page buttons, one for each env.)

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Post by gallant steve » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:42 pm

great collection of posters you get o' this site - the synth's designer himself on this time, the keyboardist from "billy jean " on the other thread, half the staff of DSI plus the original Andromeda techs earlier the year....;)

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Post by Max Websta » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:53 am

gallant steve wrote:great collection of posters you get o' this site - the synth's designer himself on this time, the keyboardist from "billy jean " on the other thread, half the staff of DSI plus the original Andromeda techs earlier the year....;)
Yes this is quite a community of synth enthusiasts and professionals. I have alot of fun reading and posting here. It's cool to read Bill Wolfer's comments about his participation on "Thriller" or to have JohnB keeping us updated and being open to suggestions with the Solaris. Priceless!

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Post by maindeglorie » Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:13 am

droolmaster0 wrote: If the Solaris can combine the good sound, tremendous flexibility, and user interface, it's certainly worth the money to me.
That's as true as a comment can get. It's the flexibility and interface of the Nord Lead 3 that makes me love it, if only it sounded like this thing!

Yep... I think I'm getting interested in the Solaris. :oops:

The price is no longer a factor to me. Why? Cause I just spent $5000 on a monophonic modular synth. *Hangs head, walks away* :lol:

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Post by droolmaster0 » Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:24 am

maindeglorie wrote:
droolmaster0 wrote: If the Solaris can combine the good sound, tremendous flexibility, and user interface, it's certainly worth the money to me.
That's as true as a comment can get. It's the flexibility and interface of the Nord Lead 3 that makes me love it, if only it sounded like this thing!

Yep... I think I'm getting interested in the Solaris. :oops:

The price is no longer a factor to me. Why? Cause I just spent $5000 on a monophonic modular synth. *Hangs head, walks away* :lol:
Which one?

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Post by maindeglorie » Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:40 am

I have been obsessed with the French Connection Controller for a long time, and the Ondes Martenot. Since I'll never find an Ondes, I decided to build a "super Ondes."

The French Connection controller, AS's Apprentice case, and 12 AS modules consisting of: Ring Mod, three VCO's, Signal Mixer, Multiples, Moog Ladder Filter, ADSR, VCA, LFO and the Multifunction module containing noise, S&H, additional VCA and LFO. I can't wait to play this. I designed it to be a specific instrument to be controlled with the French Connection. That's why I didn't go crazy with the 'insane' modules.

The next system will be for complete sound manipulating. I'm looking at synthesizers.com stuff. It's really affordable as far as modulars go. The Doepfer stuff is taking modulars to a new level, but I could never get a good review of their sound.

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Post by droolmaster0 » Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:56 am

maindeglorie wrote:I have been obsessed with the French Connection Controller for a long time, and the Ondes Martenot. Since I'll never find an Ondes, I decided to build a "super Ondes."

The French Connection controller, AS's Apprentice case, and 12 AS modules consisting of: Ring Mod, three VCO's, Signal Mixer, Multiples, Moog Ladder Filter, ADSR, VCA, LFO and the Multifunction module containing noise, S&H, additional VCA and LFO. I can't wait to play this. I designed it to be a specific instrument to be controlled with the French Connection. That's why I didn't go crazy with the 'insane' modules.

The next system will be for complete sound manipulating. I'm looking at synthesizers.com stuff. It's really affordable as far as modulars go. The Doepfer stuff is taking modulars to a new level, but I could never get a good review of their sound.
Well, you can use a few doepfer modules, and do eurorack stuff to fill it out - the as stuff will work in a doepfer rack (with adapters), and then there is plan b, cwejman, etc...but your system sounds really nice.

Now, I'm feeling a bit guilty about hijacking this thread about a very worthy synth...back to the Solaris. I suppose the relevance would be that the Solaris would be great to integrate with a modular setup.

Now, did he say something about a cv/gate option? :)

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Post by Amos » Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:08 am

johnb wrote:I was looking at the Kurzweil ribbon, and mentioned it to my hardware engineer - but so far, we haven't found any specs on the connector's pin layouts.
John - Unfortunately I lost this info a couple of years ago in a move, but not more than three years ago I just called up Kurzweil, asked for an engineer, and got him to read me the pinouts off the schematic. I do remember that it is three discrete resistive strips which are not connected inside the ribbon... I gather that the outputs are interpreted/interpolated in firmware. So the pins will give you individual access to the left, middle, and right zones of the ribbon... it might have been like a resistor network with a master +V or GND connection in addition to the pins for each resistive zone.

Hope it helps...

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Post by johnb » Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:19 am

By the way, does anyone have confirmation that Kurzweil will continue to build the Super Ribbon Controller? I can't find any info on their site, other than a mention of it in an accessories list for some of the controller boards....
http://www.kurzweilmusic.biz/

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Post by Max Websta » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:24 pm

Hey John,
Any luck contacting the guy at dg audio repair ? This is a forum dedicated to all things Kurzweil. Someone over there may be able to assist.
http://community.sonikmatter.com/forums ... owforum=58

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Post by scope4live » Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:02 pm

Brotha' Man John Bowen,

I already use a Kurzweil Expressionmate on Solaris 4.1. My needs are covered.

It has 4 zones and especially works well with bi-directional uses. I can use the envelopes to sustain or a pedal w/ dual CC assignments to 2 zones. I place both of my index fingers in the middle of the ribbon, and go left and right, and then drop 'em back down w/ a slow pitch bend to return to the groove. I stole that little segue from Herbie Hancock 's perfeormance of " Butterfly ", which followed Dr. Bennie Maupin's awesome sax solo. It was my first ribbon lesson other than the tricks I use to do on my CS80. The Kurzweil is the epitomy of a super ribbon controller. Unlike their newer " yawn, yawn " ribbon.

BTW JB,

Will you include the seperate Oscillator glide feature in the hardware version?

I have always tried to emulate the FAT BASTARDS using Prowave, and Solaris for monophonic use, but w/o that Osc. Glide feature, they can't quite get the drift. :roll: Sorry, no pun intended. :lol:

I feel right at home in this forum. Many sick synth junkies,....I will fit right in.

I would love to post some pics to show the Ribbon and it's controller, but I did not see the option, and of course I know very little about computers other than Scope / Giga / VSTi stuff.


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Post by alan partridge » Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:44 am

be great to see some vid demos from the namm show for this, if that's happening.

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Post by scope4live » Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:00 pm

Yes w/ large breasted females twisting the knobs and controllers, like they use to do at NAMM before SoCal turned into the Soviet Socialist State Of California. :roll:

A learning video of Solaris would need to be on a DVD though. It's rather deep. But John's preset makers have always offered up the best and most abundant presets I ever heard on a synth hard or soft. Bizzarre SFX, FAT BASTARDS, Evolving soundscapes, etc.

I use Solaris in live venues, and often get the local players feverish as they always ask what synths were used on that fusion piece? It's cool when I reply Solaris, most just go " Oh Yeah, that one." When actually they are embarrased to admit that they are just your basic Receptor cats w/ your basic NI synths, and have no clue what Solaris is. Good, I prefer they stay in the generic sounding Receptor world w/ basic analog emu's in VSTi format. Just makes my analog synths and DSP based models stand above the crowd even more.

I did hear a really great rig last week though. The guy had a Korg Oasys, and a Moog Voyager. I do enjoy some competition at times. These poor guys are tired of being punished by Oberheim and Solaris, good. Maybe they will stay off of the video poker games and go buy some gear instead of gravelling around at KVR for free " analog synths". :roll:
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