So I tried out a TB-303 yesterday

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Post by StepLogik » Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:01 pm

It wouldn't be '08 without a new 303 thread :lol:

Just to chime in on the commentary:

Re: the 303 interface. WORST EVER. impossible to do anything other than make "happy accidents". It is interesting to read the 303 manual, because its clearly oriented towards someone who strongly understands and can read sheet music - all of the examples are in a classic staff-notation system as opposed to the piano roll we are so used to now. I suppose from an engineer's perspective, the interface is brilliant (although I can't imagine what the firmware code must look like) but if you were trying to actually enter a written music phrase - forget it.

Re: the FR Revolution: The revolution sounds great and I had one for quite a while but it does not sound like a 303 to my ears. but, its mostly subjective. I also found that I couldn't make the 303 and Revo sit well in a mix together. No amount of EQ and compression and tuning and processing could seem to make these two blend in a harmonious way in a mix. Its probably more of a fault of my crappy production technique, but I eventually gave up and ditched the Revo.

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Post by Acid Mitch » Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:28 pm

If you already know what music your programming into it, the 303 interface is excellent. It's extremely efficient at what it was designed for. Probably quicker than most other things I've tried.

I think the best thing Future Retro could do with the Revolution is stop calling it a 303 emulator. The Revolution looks , acts, feels and sounds different plus it does twice as much. If the Revolution wasn't sold as a 303 emulator people would be more likely to think " gee, that's a pretty cool synth and some settings sound like a 303" instead of straight off comparing it to a real 303 and being let down by the differences. That's not to say the Revolution is not a good synth, it just seems very different to a 303.

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Post by Bitexion » Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:33 pm

I don't think Roland or any of the others giants dare to create analog synthesizers anymore. It's too much of an expense compared to what they get in return. Plus, there are already plenty of clones out there, I guess they don't wanna compete about a market that they created in the first place.

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Post by Jack Spider » Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:18 pm

Not to mention that if they did recreate it exactly, there would probably be many complaints about it being limited, overpriced etc. The specialist market who would be interested (and overjoyed) in one wouldn't, as Bitexion says, garner enough financial return to make it worthwhile.
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Who needs a TB303?

Post by Tardis » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:12 pm

If you're gonna spend $1,500-$2,000 on a synth buy a System 100, and FR Mobius and call it a day.
You'll get more bang for your buck out of those then you will out of a 303.
The System 100 sounds way better then the TB303 IMO.
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Post by cornutt » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:28 pm

Bitexion wrote:I don't think Roland or any of the others giants dare to create analog synthesizers anymore. It's too much of an expense compared to what they get in return. Plus, there are already plenty of clones out there, I guess they don't wanna compete about a market that they created in the first place.
They're probably still feeling burned about the fact that it didn't sell that well when it was in production, and they wound up having to blow out a bunch of them at $99. Now, they're worth money, but Roland isn't getting a dime of it. So, from their perspective, it was a loser.

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Post by Vxster » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:40 pm

cornutt wrote:
Bitexion wrote:I don't think Roland or any of the others giants dare to create analog synthesizers anymore. It's too much of an expense compared to what they get in return. Plus, there are already plenty of clones out there, I guess they don't wanna compete about a market that they created in the first place.
They're probably still feeling burned about the fact that it didn't sell that well when it was in production, and they wound up having to blow out a bunch of them at $99. Now, they're worth money, but Roland isn't getting a dime of it. So, from their perspective, it was a loser.
Well, they already had a go in 1996 with samples with the MC-303 and sold 50,000 units. After that, they probably couldn't be bothered replicating the original machine.

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Post by voltageHead » Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:15 pm

I wish that i could try out a real TB303 i have allways wanted to lay my hands on one.

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Post by shaft9000 » Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:45 am

they do sound different amongst the same tb-303 line. the one i had in 99-01 was more in-your-face and not as 'squishy' sounding as a friend's tb-303 was. it was only noticeable w/ the resonance cranked. My 777 was similarly too 'up-front sounding' and the circuit was just too complicated to replicate the tb303 exactly.
i don't think any of the clones quite nail it when at it's extremes, though. about as close as i've heard is a custom xoXbox or the Roland MC-202/modulars.

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Re: So I tried out a TB-303 yesterday

Post by Alphacode » Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:52 am

[quote="nathanscribe"][quote="Syn303"][quote="nathanscribe"].
When you consider that a small euro-rack modular (for example) can be had for about the same as a 303 today, there are plenty of people who'll see that as a better deal.

Yes because IT IS a better deal , having owned a lot of analogues i remember that i amused my self to recreate the tb303 sound on different synths just to see what was it all about .., with an overdrive effect properly set you can easly recreate it's sound on a Polysix ,sh101 ,juno etc... even the biggest acid freak could be fooled if heard theses in a mix .

But hold on a second ,does any body really even need that simple distorted saw/square sound in 2008 ?

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Post by Amos » Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:56 am

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A member of the x0xb0x community (Sokkan) has written a new OS for the x0xb0x which makes it pretty much the most intuitive and performance-friendly x0x-style sequencer I've ever seen... they sound good, too. Especially with modifications...

my vote for best 303-alternative, hands down.
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Post by kulten » Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:03 am

years ago, when I started making electronic music, people always talked about "acid" and "303"... always........................

303 is a good synth in a way, but I realised that everyone in the middle and end 90's wanted a TB... so the other synths ? the other sounds ? no good ?

it's difficult to say why some people always want a TB, is it a REAL artistic action or just because "some play 303 so I must play 303" ?

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ask yourself "what i got in my brain" and "what I want under my fingers", then get the machine that answers the two questions... and after all it could be a TB !
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Post by Soundwave » Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:24 am

In defense of the Revolution it has the best 'hands on' 303 style sequencer and it is intended to be a 303 emulator unlike the 777 which is a different beast entirely.

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Re: So I tried out a TB-303 yesterday

Post by killedaway » Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:01 am

Syn303 wrote: They are NOT identical, the 303's ACcent is more punchier than the Revolution's ACcent. I have owned a Revolution before.
ahh... you seemed to have missed the "to my ears" part of my reply. it's okay though, it happens to all of us.
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Post by Dirk » Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:07 am

[brag mode on]I have 2 tb-303's and 2 system 100's.[/bragmode off]

Because there are lots of internal ajustments to be made inside the 303, there's little chance 2 303's will sound exactly the same. I think my 303's sound a bit different, but not much. I sure as h**l wouldn't bet my life on it to pick them out in a blind test.
If a clone uses the same layout and the same components, it will sound just like a real 303. So an x0xbox can sound just like a real 303. This is the best choice for the non snobs.
The system 100 has about the same price as a 303 and sounds realy great. But I think the envelopes are not that snappy (if someone know's a mod to fix that let me know). It has ofcause much more posibilities than a 303 and is a much wiser choice. But only a 303 can 303 like a 303 and 1 303 is soo boring, so I have 2 :twisted:
The interface of the 303 let's people who don't know what they are doing make things that you can dance to. But if you know what you are doing, it's relatively eazy to make more interesting things. To prove my point I have just made a 8 bar 303 loop. The drums and echo are there to make sampling the loop difficult.
Here's the loop: http://www.mediafire.com/?3f0n1gblixm
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