Korg Prophecy appreciation thread

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Korg Prophecy appreciation thread

Post by Phollop Willing PA » Sat May 17, 2008 4:32 pm

Yep, I love it.

I couldn't do without patch A47 Phase Wind Motion.

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Post by 8bit9bot » Sat May 17, 2008 5:35 pm

post some example sounds please - the example mp3 on VSE sounds like a novation bass station - im sure theres something more unique that the prophecy can do... no?

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Post by ned-ryarson » Sat May 17, 2008 5:51 pm

is there much warmth in their sound?

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Post by Jexus » Sat May 17, 2008 5:57 pm

dddoherty@hotmail.com wrote:is there much warmth in their sound?

warmth ?

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Post by ned-ryarson » Sat May 17, 2008 6:01 pm

is there something wrong with that question?

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Post by Phollop Willing PA » Sat May 17, 2008 6:02 pm







Here's three picked in a hurry for you - I like the second one best
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Post by 8bit9bot » Sat May 17, 2008 7:31 pm

looks like its mainly got a cool interface - the ribbon controller is cool - but the sounds arent much different from the ms2000 are they? i understand that it seems pretty cool for being from 95 tho

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Post by Phollop Willing PA » Sat May 17, 2008 7:45 pm

8bit9bot wrote:looks like its mainly got a cool interface - the ribbon controller is cool - but the sounds arent much different from the ms2000 are they? i understand that it seems pretty cool for being from 95 tho
The MS2000 is thin sounding compared to the Prophecy. The Prophecy uses 4 different types of synthesis, whereas I believe the MS2000 uses one. Also the Prophecy is monophonic.

Here are the specs for the Prophecy:

* Type: Synth/ keyboard/
* Synthesis Type: Digital Multi Oscillator Synthesis System
* Polyphony:
o Max: 1
o Typical in use: 1
* Multi-timbral (number of parts): 1
* Oscillators per Voice :
o Min : 2
o Max : 3
* Controllers : 10 continuous + 1 on/off
* Effects :
o Number of FX units : 1 multieffect
o Number of different effects : 5
* Drum Section :
o Number of Drum Kits : -
o Number of Drum sounds :
* Keyboard :
o Number of Keys : 36
o Can send on simultaneous MIDI channels
o Responds to : velocity, after-touch
o Sounds can be split by : velocity,
* Memory :
o Patches : 128
o Performances :
* Inputs and Outputs :
o Number of Audio Outs (excluding Phones) : 2 (l+r)
o Number of Audio Ins : none
o Number of MIDI Outs (excluding Thru) : 1
o Number of MIDI Ins : 1
* Upgrade Options : Memory expansion card using the slot on the back provide another 64 programs per card.

Comments about the sounds :
The MOSS synthesis protocol allows simultaneous use of two osscilators (selectable between various protocols, Classic Analog, VPM, Physical modelling, Cross/Ring/Sync modulation, basically everything you can think of) and on top of this a sub-oscillator (a very basic waveform oscillator with no frills) In a sentence, anything that is possible synthwise nowadays, you can do with this synth.

Sounds to check out :
Studio Moog 1 (It sounds exactly like a real moog) Rib Bone Lead Dual waterphones Everything is so different, it is difficult to say which one is best.

from:

http://www.sonicstate.com/synth/_inc/sp ... ynthid=750

Here are the specs for the MS2000:

Korg MS-2000 Specifications

* Type: keyboard/
* Synthesis Type: subtractive
* Polyphony:
o Max: 4
o Typical in use: 2
* Multi-timbral (number of parts): 2
* Oscillators per Voice :
o Min : 2
o Max : 2
* Controllers : 2
* Effects :
o Number of FX units : 2
o Number of different effects :
* Drum Section :
o Number of Drum Kits : 0
o Number of Drum sounds : 0
* Keyboard :
o Number of Keys : 49
o Can send on 2 simultaneous MIDI channels
o Responds to : velocity, after-touch
o Sounds can be split by : keyboard
* Memory :
o Patches : 128
o Performances :
* Inputs and Outputs :
o Number of Audio Outs (excluding Phones) : 2
o Number of Audio Ins : 1
o Number of MIDI Outs (excluding Thru) : 1
o Number of MIDI Ins : 1

Sequencer
# Memory : Number of Notes : 4
# Number of Patterns : a few
# Number of songs :
Upgrade options :
none

from:

http://www.sonicstate.com/synth/_inc/sp ... nthid=1111

there's also some interesting reviews on that site.
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Post by Juno6 » Sat May 17, 2008 7:56 pm

A question, does it have filter FM? :?:

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Post by Phollop Willing PA » Sat May 17, 2008 8:02 pm

Juno6 wrote:A question, does it have filter FM? :?:
According to the SOS review:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1995_ar ... ?print=yes

It does (sort of).

"The Prophecy actually looks quite small with its 37-note keyboard, but it can sound as huge as you like. One of the benefits carried over from the OASYS is the capability to handle several different types of synthesis -- analogue, VPM (Korg's approach to FM synthesis) and physical modelling."

Good review btw.
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Post by Jexus » Sat May 17, 2008 8:48 pm

According to wikipedia:

The Korg Prophecy is considered one of the earliest (mid-nineties) "virtual analog" (a.k.a. VA) synthesizers, although its synthesis capabilities went beyond many of its VA contemporaries.

Along with the Korg Trinity, this little synth is a direct descendant of the ill-fated (and sci-fi at the time) Oasys project[citation needed]. It was a small 3-octave monosynth, a pioneer of the late 90's "return-to-analog" trend. Offering assignable knobs, a "log controller" (a mix-up of a modulation wheel and ribbon controller assembled like a "sausage") and many other control sources, it invited players to tweak and shape the sound both easily and quickly. Deep editing, however, wasn't as straightforward, because the sound engine contained no less than 13 DSP-modelled oscillator types, each one offering too many parameters to adjust. Probably, the most valuated and used DSP models were the analog model (based on the classic osc+filter+amp scheme, although with many powerful enhancements), the VPM model (some sort of FM synthesis which cleverly avoided Yamaha's FM patent) and the "physical modeling" algorithms. The latter deserves special mention; in the mid-late 90's, it was believed that physical modeling, which recreated the sound of acoustic instruments (brass, strings, woodwinds, etc.) using DSP algorithms instead of samples, would eventually replace sample-based version of those instruments, because of its unprecedented realism and expressivity. As time passed, physical modelling seemed to lose its appeal to both manufacturers (because of the cost of investigation and implementation) and final users, who complained about the realism of the models and limited polyphony. Also, more complex playing techniques were required to play the models in a convincing way. Nevertheless, the Prophecy's low cost and broad implementation of sound generation techniques earned it a significant place in synthesizer history.

More technically, the Prophecy offered one-note polyphony, a decent set of effects (including distortion, waveshaping, delay/reverb and chorus/flanger), and 128 locations for user sounds. No disk drive or sequencer was found on it, but its integrated arpeggiator was a source of "instant gratification", as some magazines pointed it. Standard MIDI features and a pair of audio outputs were also offered.

Korg made a major breakthrough at the time, offering a low cost expansion card for Trinity users, which incorporated the whole sound engine of the Prophecy into the already powerful workstation. Gone was the arpeggiator and some minor features, but the editing was much improved through the Trinity's big touchscreen, and the workstation's effects processing was a huge improvement over the Prophecy's basic set.

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Post by Phollop Willing PA » Sat May 17, 2008 8:58 pm

I wonder how different the OASYS project of 1995 is compared to the Korg OASYS of 2003... hmmm
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Post by Juno6 » Sat May 17, 2008 10:09 pm

Phollop Willing PA wrote:
Juno6 wrote:A question, does it have filter FM? :?:
According to the SOS review:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1995_ar ... ?print=yes

It does (sort of).

"The Prophecy actually looks quite small with its 37-note keyboard, but it can sound as huge as you like. One of the benefits carried over from the OASYS is the capability to handle several different types of synthesis -- analogue, VPM (Korg's approach to FM synthesis) and physical modelling."

Good review btw.
Thanx, but that doesn´t seem to be Filter FM. I couldn´t find the Prophecy manual, but I´ve found the Z1 manual and it doesn´t mention filter FM at all. :(

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Post by Phollop Willing PA » Sat May 17, 2008 10:14 pm

Jexus wrote:According to wikipedia:

The Korg Prophecy is considered one of the earliest (mid-nineties) "virtual analog" (a.k.a. VA) synthesizers, although its synthesis capabilities went beyond many of its VA contemporaries.....

........Probably, the most valuated and used DSP models were the analog model (based on the classic osc+filter+amp scheme, although with many powerful enhancements), the VPM model (some sort of FM synthesis which cleverly avoided Yamaha's FM patent) and the "physical modeling"algorithms.....
This is why it doesn't mention FM per se, but from what I can tell, VPM is really FM (under a different name).

Perhaps more digging is in order to clarify?

The SOS article also suggests the same:

"The FM -- sorry, VPM -- sounds produced all the classic 'metal things being hit' that the DX7 was so famous for, as well as some big, angry, modulated sounds reminiscent of someone dismantling a corrugated iron shed with a chainsaw, monitored through a flanger. "

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Post by AstroDan » Sat May 17, 2008 11:26 pm

How many other digital synths are mono?

I want to know.
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