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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:08 pm
by AstroDan
Joey wrote:...but will open up a world of new sounds for guitarists.
Actually, this technology is well over 20 years old. That haunting "lead" throughout 'With or Without You' is The Edge using an infinite sustain system. That was '86, '87?

I hate knocking a great company like Moog, but that price is just astronomical. It's just not going to be in the hands of the people who could make the most of it; the poor and mentally disturbed. They'll just get a Sustainiac system and stick it in their Squier Tele.

Again, I'm sure it's top drawer quality and worthy of the Moog name - that's just an expensive guitar.

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:18 pm
by pricklyrobot
OriginalJambo wrote:Funny people here are saying it looks dated when it seems vintage guitars from the '60s and '70s get plenty of love for their looks alone.
Most people just aren't nostalgic for the early '90s yet. But god knows, it's probably coming. :roll:

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:46 pm
by Joey
OriginalJambo wrote:Funny people here are saying it looks dated when it seems vintage guitars from the '60s and '70s get plenty of love for their looks alone.
there is a difference between 'dated' and 'classic'

60's and 70's guitars look classic. They have a great look that cant be placed on any particular period, a look that can last throughout the times, and ALWAYS look good. you can't argue the fact that the les paul and strat are good looking guitars. You might not like them overall, but they are certainly the farthest thing from ugly.

when something looks 'dated' it means that it looks like it is part of a particular period in time, and cant go past that.

take for example the minimoog. That is classic, wood grain, knobs, etc, its something that has never gone out of style.

Now look at a Korg 01/WFD keyboard. That is dated, barely any buttons that generic black workstation look, that is very late 80's/90's. You dont see any keyboards these days replicating that, even the workstations of new (motif, m3, triton, fantom, etc) all feature much different looks.

If a synth company was to come out with a workstation that looked just like the o1wfd, they would get ridiculed for 'going back to the horrid dated styling of the 90's'.

if a synth company was to come out with a synth thatt looked just like a minimoog (like maybe moog, with the voyager OS), everyone would say just how good it looked and how great it is taht they went back to the classic design.

and they do.

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:49 pm
by ColorForm2113
i have a feeling this is going to be in every studio/session guitarist arsenal. it will probably be heard on the next christina aguilaiyuera (?)album. but on the plus side it looks like we'll hear it on the next lou reed album too :D

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:58 pm
by Phollop Willing PA
Personally, I think it looks okay (except where the pegs are, but so what? it's minor and beauty is in the eye of the beholder anyway). I like the brown type colours but the other colours make it look cheap and plasticky to me (green, blue, etc).

It's an interesting idea - but I concur, about the price - whoa!

I hope Adrian Belew and Robert Fripp pick one (or two) up for King Crimson (my favourite band ever).

I wonder if a bass is next or a violin?

hmmm

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:08 pm
by kuroichi
To be honest i think its quite amazing, I agree the price is steep but if your the kind of musician that is close to your instruments you would probably be willing to pay that price. I imagine there will be a few players that will end up with one of these as their main piece.

But Id definately class this as a specialist bit of gear, if ever i seen one.

The thing is, Moog have a following of synth lovers who will see this as out of their price range and for some out of their interest range (with the exception of its possibilities as an experimental instrument), so its gonna end up being avoided by some.

If it goes down well (a good bet would be yes), they'll probably make a cheaper model.

HOWEVER


They need to get started on that Moog Drum Machine

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:11 pm
by Joey
As a second point, this will be THE new hot piece of gear.

Every major session guitarist and touring musician is going to have one.

It will be on all the new pop records, as well as some of the experimental guitar records.

I can see the mars volta, the white stripes, radiohead, muse, and nine inch nails all using these as soon as they come out.

Its just an obvious choice.

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:14 pm
by pricklyrobot
How about a steel guitar? Seems like that would be the ideal candidate for infinite sustain. And if we're talking pedal steel (as opposed to lap steel), then people are already used to fairly high-priced instruments.

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:15 pm
by filtermod
I agree on the steep price tag.
Looks a little funky, I care more about function than looks though.
I use a lot of ebow and I like doing bizarre things with my guitar tones. This thing would be in my collection already if it didn't cost more than a small car! :(

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:16 pm
by filtermod
pricklyrobot wrote:How about a steel guitar? Seems like that would be the ideal candidate for infinite sustain. And if we're talking pedal steel (as opposed to lap steel), then people are already used to fairly high-priced instruments.
That would be too cool!
great idea P.R.! :)

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:26 pm
by Joey
filtermod wrote:
pricklyrobot wrote:How about a steel guitar? Seems like that would be the ideal candidate for infinite sustain. And if we're talking pedal steel (as opposed to lap steel), then people are already used to fairly high-priced instruments.
That would be too cool!
great idea P.R.! :)
it would sound like a*s.

half of the guitar's tone is the wood used. the other half is the pickup and amp combination

the goal was not just infinite sustain, but to have infinite sustain that is useful and sounds good.

everyone is also forgetting it has a resonant ladder filter built in.

How many guitars have built in resonant filters, albeit built in moog ladder filters?

and that it can also cut off sustain completely, making palm muting almost obsolete.

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:00 pm
by lightwarden
Joey wrote:As a second point, this will be THE new hot piece of gear.

Every major session guitarist and touring musician is going to have one.

It will be on all the new pop records, as well as some of the experimental guitar records.

I can see the mars volta, the white stripes, radiohead, muse, and nine inch nails all using these as soon as they come out.

Its just an obvious choice.
yeah, i bet jonny greenwood and trent reznor will get these immediately and will race to make a new album out of it. :)

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:09 pm
by filtermod
No, it would sound like a pedal steel guitar.
We're not talking about a guitar made of steel we're talking about a pedal steel guitar. Which is a multi stringed guitar that is built into a table-like housing. The pedal steel also incorporates pedals which can change the pitch of single or multiple strings at a time by bending them. They are usually played with finger/ thumb picks, and heavy, solid metal slides.

As a guitar player of over 15 years I do understand your point of pickups/ wood, and amp = tone.

I think the Moog guitar is a great idea, I just can't afford it. I do, however, have a moogerfooger lowpass that I use in my guitar rig.

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:13 pm
by Joey
filtermod wrote:No, it would sound like a pedal steel guitar.
We're not talking about a guitar made of steel we're talking about a pedal steel guitar. Which is a multi stringed guitar that is built into a table-like housing. The pedal steel also incorporates pedals which can change the pitch of single or multiple strings at a time by bending them. They are usually played with finger/ thumb picks, and heavy, solid metal slides.

As a guitar player of over 15 years I do understand your point of pickups/ wood, and amp = tone.

I think the Moog guitar is a great idea, I just can't afford it. I do, however, have a moogerfooger lowpass that I use in my guitar rig.
I definitely visualized a different thing, but what you are describing definitely has its applications.

However, this is supposed to be a playable electric guitar, that is played like a regular electric guitar, held like a regular electric guitar, but sounds like a f**k insane electric guitar.

It accomplishes all those things.

I want one now. I also want 7000 dollars right now, but thats a different story.

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:28 pm
by splitpoint
Yawn. Moog should stick to synths.

This appears to be an updated version of the Sustainiac guitar. Back in the '80's you could buy a Westone Sustainiac for about $350 that did pretty much the same thing. I'll admit that it appears that Moog has refined the concept a little but as an ex-guitarist (played for 20 years) I'm completely, totally, unimpressed. Especially at $6k. You could have a handmade custom guitar built to your specifications for much less and put a sustainiac pickup in.

Haven't played it and have only heard the videos so feel free to take my opinion with a grain of salt but I've certainly seen this kind of technology before for a lot less money.