Different Quality sound to a Juno 106

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Different Quality sound to a Juno 106

Post by Hollow Earth » Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:26 pm

i have a juno 106 and was wondering if people could advise me of a synth that has a *very* different sonic flavour.

i was thinking i might get another synth eventually and was after something complementary, but different. fr'instance other roland machines of the same kind of era i feel have a similar sort of sonic fingerprint.

any help steering me in the right direction would be appreciated.

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Post by Big Gnome » Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:37 pm

Uh, DX7? ARP Odyssey? Waldorf Microwave? How big a difference do you want?
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Post by hfinn » Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:07 pm

no offence, but this is like asking "I have a Honda Accord. I might buy another car, is there anything that's not like an Accord?" I can think of 200 synths that are not like a Juno 106. Maybe give us a little more to work with such as price range, style of music, anything...

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Post by Hollow Earth » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:21 pm

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a) The Juno is sort of cold and precise sounding- so something with more warmth perhaps? I've seen people recommend the KORG Polysix for its warmth....or.....

b) I'm not in the market for spending huge amounts of money. Just over $500 (taking a cue from the synth finder app)

c) Perhaps something with different or complementary functionality? I dunno, an arpegiator?

d) Style of music. Mainly to work with sampled beats and sampled rhythms.

Really any suggestions are welcome, I'm just going to use it as a springboard to check out some options.

Pretty please :D

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Post by Tyler2000 » Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:55 pm

I"ve never used a polysix, but based on it's features, it's pretty similar to the Juno.

Does it need to be polyphonic? Maybe a monosynth would be different enough. I really like my MG-1, and it's nothing like the Juno, but sounds great with it. No arpeggiator, though.

Novation K-Station? Has an arp. and matches sound with the juno. Doesn't sound particularly warm though.
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Post by hfinn » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:25 am

Yeah, i thought that was pretty funny. A poly six has to be one of the closest to a Juno out there.

I would recommend an Oberheim Matrix-6/1000, Prophet-600 before a Polysix if he's trying to be different.

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Post by Synthaholic » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:39 am

About the only things the Juno-106 and Polysix have in common is that they're single-oscillator 6 voice synths with 61-key keyboards.

So, from a programming perspective, they're quite similar. You'll pick up the programming on a Polysix in no time, having used a Juno.

But the sound is quite distinct. The Polysix has VCOs, which have some natural drift (and warmth) that you won't get with DCOs. Although they have some drift, the Polysix's VCOs do stay in tune (at least mine did). The Polysix has a GREAT unison mode (something where the Juno falls flat on its face). Chord memory, hold function, arpeggiator, and more effects (phaser and ensemble in addition to the chorus). And the filters... oh those lovely SSM filters. Plus, you have 3 separate LFOs in the Polysix. It may not be immediately apparent looking at the front panel, but the PWM has its own LFO, as does the effects section. So, you can do a patch with fast vibrato and slow PWM on the Polysix, but not on a Juno.

About the only things you don't get on the P6 is portamento, noise generator and MIDI. The latter can be added with a retrofit.
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Post by clusterchord » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:41 am

if the poster at least gave a hint if he is looking for another, albeit different character, ANALOG synth, or he is looking for just a different synth (as in digital, alternate snythesis types..)

if the former is the case, i would for starters, suggest an analogue that is not a DCO machine (like 106), something with 2 oscillators per voice, and everything that comes with it; osc sync, crossmod etc.. for example, Prophet 600. or for more twice more dineros, Oberheim OB-8. one of the last big polysynths that still has a very nice price, and hasn't skyrocketed into unobtainium.

for the latter, a Waldorf XT or Blofeld will probably get you in a nother universe most quickly (and affordably). or Virus Snow perhaps.. dunno.. so many choices..
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Post by MrFrodo » Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:08 am

The mentioning of chord memory brings something tomind. Can you get the PolySix to play just a fifth in Unison mode?
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Post by Synthaholic » Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:57 am

MrFrodo wrote:The mentioning of chord memory brings something tomind. Can you get the PolySix to play just a fifth in Unison mode?
Unison mode on the P6 is all 6 voices playing the same note (with some detuning to make it fat). So, fifths, thirds, yadda yadda aren't possible in unison mode. But you could store a fifth in the chord memory and then play fifths with 1 finger, but that isn't unison mode (no detuning, only as many voices as notes in the chord you stored, etc.)
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Post by MrFrodo » Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:10 am

That's kind of what I meant. Thank you, Synthaholic.
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Post by Bitexion » Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:17 am

There's the Poly-61 too. It sounds VERY different, even though it has similar setup. It always sounds distorted and gritty. Like everything is always overloaded.

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Post by sacredcow » Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:40 am

A casio VZ-10m.
Not remotely similar
Think about a desktop evolver too. That's what's i'd go for.
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Post by neandrewthal » Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:09 am

I got a polysix after a Juno-106 and never regretted it. In fact, if I could only keep one I'd take the polysix over synths that cost me over five and ten times as much. I just love that filter, plus the arpeggiator, chord memory and lfo's
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