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And you knew it would be me. : )Joey wrote:it can't sound less analog, because it is analog, what you are hearing is an analog sound
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Well, that was supposedly the point of the chorus on 80s Roland boards... but the JX doesn't NEED that thickening, as it has two oscillators. It is a nice flavoring, sure... but it's a nice flavoring on any synthesizer that you want to sound like a chorused synthesizer, and any synthesizer with chorus, like the JX3P sounds more like the chorus when it is on, than it does the synth.Box wrote:I've noticed that the chorus rids some of the "buzziness", but it thickens the sound like corn starch thickens stew (simile for the day!Automatic Gainsay wrote: I find that once you turn on the chorus it sounds considerably less analog.). Wouldn't say it makes it less analogue, just smoother and more polished.
Not all the time. Sometimes the chorus just makes the sound fuller without altering the sound much at all, and then sometimes the chorus changes the sound completely. Also, how can the chorus make it less analogue when the chorus itself is analogue? Chorus is what sets Roland apart from the rest of the crowd; even the Jupiter-8 wouldn't be itself without it's chorus (if chorus is overkill on any Roland this is the one). But as long as the end sound is good who cares if it was chorused, reverbed, delayed, etc... and the sound generator was a Jupiter-8 or a Poly-800? I for one love the sonic character that chorus adds to the sound, why I'm such a fan of Roland. I agree that sometimes a particular sound doesn't need chorus, so I won't add it. Then sometimes it completes the sound and brings it to perfection. I'm starting to lean towards a Jupiter-6 instead of an OB-Xa actually...Automatic Gainsay wrote:Well, that was supposedly the point of the chorus on 80s Roland boards... but the JX doesn't NEED that thickening, as it has two oscillators. It is a nice flavoring, sure... but it's a nice flavoring on any synthesizer that you want to sound like a chorused synthesizer, and any synthesizer with chorus, like the JX3P sounds more like the chorus when it is on, than it does the synth.
Chorus never avoids cloaking analog timbral character. Does that mean the overall patch is worthless? No. I'm just saying you can put anything through a chorus. I guarantee that your ability to discern between a great software synth and an analog synth is severely damaged when you're hearing them both through the same chorus.Box wrote: Not all the time. Sometimes the chorus just makes the sound fuller without altering the sound much at all, and then sometimes the chorus changes the sound completely. Also, how can the chorus make it less analogue when the chorus itself is analogue? Chorus is what sets Roland apart from the rest of the crowd; even the Jupiter-8 wouldn't be itself without it's chorus (if chorus is overkill on any Roland this is the one). But as long as the end sound is good who cares if it was chorused, reverbed, delayed, etc...
well i meant to say its an analog signal path (save the env's)Automatic Gainsay wrote:And you knew it would be me. : )Joey wrote:it can't sound less analog, because it is analog, what you are hearing is an analog sound
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As everyone always shouts, the characteristic quality that makes analog desirable is subtle. That subtlety is easily obscured or erased by effects like chorus.
Of course, you would still have the aspect of the analog sound that is related to function, but function-related aspects of analog sound are far more easily emulated with non-analog than sound quality of analog is.
Digital sounds digital no matter what you run it through. Why I couldn't stand the Ion, never escaped "VA" sound. Of course you wouldn't have to run an OB-X or a MiniMoog through chorus, they have a natural thickness to the sound. And I totally agree that the JX's chorus free have a great analogue tone. I only use chorus to give it that instant 80's sound.Automatic Gainsay wrote: You can put a DX7 through analog chorus, and it's going to sound "analog" but only in the sense that that's what analog chorus sounds like.
It's because you specifically desire a certain TYPE of end sound. If you don't, then I would strongly urge you to stop wasting your money on analog.
The JX, chorus-free, has a great analog sound... more analog-sounding than most other DCO synths. It doesn't need chorus to sound full, analog, or good! That's all I'm saying!
congrats for the jx synth addition, it also did the same hereBox wrote:I'm officially in LOVE WITH ROLAND!!!
I have a JX-3P with PG-200 that I am preparing to sell if anyone is interested. It has a few dead keys, but I will be fixing those in the next day or two if I can spare the time to do so....been selling a lot of gear lately and this one has been at the bottom of the pile & I haven't gotten around to it yet. I was planning on just throwing it up on eBay, but could just as easily sell it to a fellow VSE'er here.nigel wrote:Aww... man, now I want one..
Ha ha, this is a terrible thing to tell me! I like my JX3P, but with prices like that, I could buy something I'd like better.OMNI26 wrote:BTW, according to my buddy Paul at SynthTech (former Curtis CEM chip source), the CEM chips in the JX-3P (CEM3340's, 3360's, and 3372's) if pulled out and sold separately are worth more than $1,000! Good deal considering the current prices of JX-3P's, but seems like a shame to trash a classic like the JX-3P just to harvest the chips.
Also, he did tell me that the JX-3P is the last "cheap" synth that is a source for harvesting CEM chips out there. I suppose it is conceivable that one synth should die so that many others (i.e. Curtis-based "high end" synths like the Prophet-5, etc.) can live on!