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Re: New Future Retro product coming.

Post by killedaway » Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:02 am

i would've blind-bought a drum machine for $1200, easy.
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Re: New Future Retro product coming.

Post by space6oy » Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:09 am

killedaway wrote:i would've blind-bought a drum machine for $1200, easy.
+1 even though that's about the last thing this dumbass needs...

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Re: New Future Retro product coming.

Post by killedaway » Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:52 am

space6oy wrote:
killedaway wrote:i would've blind-bought a drum machine for $1200, easy.
+1 even though that's about the last thing this dumbass needs...
:lol:


personally, i don't own a dedicated analog drum machine and i still haven't found one that bowls me over. i'm planning on picking up an Mbase01 sometime soon, but a full blown drum box from FR would be tops.
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Re: New Future Retro product coming.

Post by Stab Frenzy » Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:08 am

killedaway wrote:i would've blind-bought a drum machine for $1200, easy.
The thing with this is that you're assuming that FR could make one and sell it for this price. Seeing as how the one voice analogue synth with monophonic sequencer is $750 I'm not sure he could add another 5 or so voices for $450, even if they're just simple drum voices. Also if you wanted patch memory rather than just pattern memory there would be a whole new level of multiplexing/demultiplexing circuitry that would need to be added.

I reckon if FR made a drum machine they could maybe do one X-Base 09 style for $1200 but something that was more complete would end up costing around the same as 888/999 money.

Still would be a nice thing though I reckon.

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Re: New Future Retro product coming.

Post by killedaway » Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:49 am

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killedaway wrote:i would've blind-bought a drum machine for $1200, easy.
The thing with this is that you're assuming that FR could make one and sell it for this price. Seeing as how the one voice analogue synth with monophonic sequencer is $750 I'm not sure he could add another 5 or so voices for $450, even if they're just simple drum voices. Also if you wanted patch memory rather than just pattern memory there would be a whole new level of multiplexing/demultiplexing circuitry that would need to be added.

I reckon if FR made a drum machine they could maybe do one X-Base 09 style for $1200 but something that was more complete would end up costing around the same as 888/999 money.

Still would be a nice thing though I reckon.
i hear ya. it's just cloud-talk on my part, but i'm just trying to put things into perspective. makes me wonder what that Miami machine is gonna cost...
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Re: New Future Retro product coming.

Post by bakeded » Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:20 am

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Re: New Future Retro product coming.

Post by Syn303 » Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:33 am

killedaway wrote:makes me wonder what that Miami machine is gonna cost...
The first batch of Miami's will be available in Germany only (20 units max), then
more will be available in May to everyone else. (info from Klaus @ Acidlab.de)

Cost:
817 Euros incl Shipping, or £730 GBP incl Shipping or just about $1010 USD, and shipping is probably
going to cost a lot more to the USA. (Of course the euro, gbp and dollar change rates, so it may
go up or down)
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Re: New Future Retro product coming.

Post by killedaway » Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:47 am

thanks, Syn303. surprisingly affordable, all things considered.
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Re: New Future Retro product coming.

Post by nadafarms » Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:03 pm

I do think if FR did a drum machine it would most likely NOT have patch storage, and would be something like the XS without a sequencer and that would be much more reasonable to produce and he could focus on making it stomp. Even just a 5-7 channel drum synth that actually sounds good... could be in the $1200

All the current analog drum machines have weak sounds I'm sorry but they just do! jomox, vermona, mfb, etc. you name it all have something missing big time, they don't hit hard. White noise through a filter pffffff pssssss that ain't never gonna make good analog drums! Sure the jomox kick is OK... but all the rest of the sounds have a really cheap and chinsy sound to my ears and I've had them all X2, always disappoint in the end. Same with the elektrons sps-1 (haven't tried a UW)

Only analog drum machines I've heard that really cut air are the 909, 808, 606 end of story. I would blindly drop $1500 on a FR drum machine without patch storage or a sequencer because it would probably sound really really good.
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Re: New Future Retro product coming.

Post by stikygum » Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:41 pm

You guys need to just buy an XS already. That thing can make wicked drum sounds. Cooler than any drum machine I've used. Seriously, have you guys not heard the XS drum demos?
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Re: New Future Retro product coming.

Post by Christopher Winkels » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:55 pm

You raise a good point. It's ludicrously easy to generate great drum sounds with an XS (and this is something I rarely do - it's a testament to how simple they are that I was able to whip up some with scarcely any bother). F-R themselves seem acutely aware of this, given that at least half of the sample patches in the manual appear to be variations on drum and percussion sounds.

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Re: New Future Retro product coming.

Post by JSRockit » Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:05 pm

Yes, but making drum sounds on a monophonic synth requires a sampler for use... not the same as a nice analog drum machine.
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Re: New Future Retro product coming.

Post by aredj » Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:18 pm

30h5 wrote: but if you don't need cv,
Which is exactly what excludes me for ever considering the orb.

Jared is definitely no dope, and must have considered all the angles brought up here during the development of this product (features and price... duhhh)

So... if someone figured that this was going to be a great idea, and if its not getting alot of love here of all places, who exactly, is being targeted with this product?

Xs owners? The ones here don't seem to be biting... Who's going to buy this?

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Re: New Future Retro product coming.

Post by Mush » Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:22 pm

aredj wrote: Xs owners? The ones here don't seem to be biting... Who's going to buy this?
The modular addicts?

Or, as the 777 is fetching huge cash on ebay - the XS/Orb combo would be a good competition for that. I think it is alot about selling more XS's in the long run... I find the combo more interesting than just getting an XS.

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Re: New Future Retro product coming.

Post by Syn303 » Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:35 pm

Mush wrote:The modular addicts?
can't see it, modular owners like to have more than one row of 16-steps. And owners with MS synths
won't buy into it either, because it does not have those important outs like the mobius did. Jered has
specifically designed this in all including colour scheme for the XS, as stated - the 1st of the XS-ories.
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