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Mopho Keyboard version

Post by phoenix224 » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:32 pm

Hello,

I really want a Mopho, but will probably wait for a keyboard version. Any guesses on how long it will take DSI to issue a Mopho keyboard? Will it be cheaper than the MEK?

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Re: Mopho Keyboard version

Post by xpander » Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:19 pm

dave smith said that he made the Mopho because he wanted to do something new rather than make a modern Pro One (the 1-voice Prophet 08). that said, i'm sure another keyboard will roll out within a year. i'm hoping it's new rather than another Prophet.

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Re: Mopho Keyboard version

Post by Joey » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:32 pm

phoenix224 wrote:Hello,

I really want a Mopho, but will probably wait for a keyboard version. Any guesses on how long it will take DSI to issue a Mopho keyboard? Will it be cheaper than the MEK?
if they do, it will have to be cheaper than the MEK because it doesnt offer as much as the MEK, and I don't know if Dave wants to compete with his other established brands already, having a product at the same price point as the MEK might confuse buyers who are less knowledgeable about what they are getting

a mopho with 25 keys x station style would be cool, and an easy way to make sure people know it is different from the evolver
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Re: Mopho Keyboard version

Post by steveman » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:45 pm

Of course people will want a keyboard version with all the knobs (as there'll be room for them), so it'll end up costing nearly as much as the MEK anyway. Can't see it happening, unless it's it's essentially the current box in a small 25 key keyboard (as Joey suggested), with the same layout.
But even then we'll prolly want it with a USB interface so we can use it as our laptop controller etc., back up goes the price...

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Re: Mopho Keyboard version

Post by JSRockit » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:04 am

It will be released on 2/17/09. Please keep it a secret. Thanks.

It'll have a two octave keyboard similar in functionality to the EDP Wasp's keyboard.
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Re: Mopho Keyboard version

Post by Stab Frenzy » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:13 am

JSRockit wrote:It will be released on 2/17/09. Please keep it a secret. Thanks.

It'll have a two octave keyboard similar in functionality to the EDP Wasp's keyboard.
:lol:

I personally would love to see DSI put all this re-hashing of the old stuff to bed and get going on finishing off the LDII and then starting work on a sample-mangling keyboard (think MEK without analogue oscs, and with sample playback oscs with modulatable start and loop points), but I think that a 25 key MoPhoKey is probably more likely. I doubt it'd have the full compliment of knobs like the MEK, I'm thinking they'd keep costs down by having a smaller case and just a few assignable encoders, maybe 12 tops. With a setup like that they could street for maybe $700-800, which would fit quite well into their lineup between the DEVO and MEK, and undercut the LP quite effectively.

I'm also wondering what's going to happen to the DEVO over the next year. MP sales will probably eat into its sales, and people will see the three digit display and lack of a headphone out as big negatives considering it costs more than the MP. I guess for DSI the DEVO is in its cash-cow stage, R&D costs have been well and truly recouped and the focus has shifted to the newer products. How long til it either gets dropped or upgraded to the Evolver II? I hope if they do make a new Evolver it's got added functionality (samples? wavetables?) rather than just the same old synth in a new box. With the decreased cost and increased power in DSP since the Evolver was first designed I'm sure some nice additions could be made to the digital side of the Evolver without adding too much to the cost.

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Re: Mopho Keyboard version

Post by Johnny Lenin » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:49 am

Stab Frenzy wrote:I guess for DSI the DEVO is in its cash-cow stage, R&D costs have been well and truly recouped and the focus has shifted to the newer products...
It's funny you mention that. I was wondering about DSI's economies of scale. I mean, with the success of the Evolver series and what can certainly be called the spectacular success of the Prophet 08, I imagine the company's risk profile [a term my sister the actuary likes to use] has been greatly reduced. In the early days of DSI, I'm sure a huge part of the costs went into getting the company running -- arranging manufacturing, sourcing, distribution, etc. -- even without considering development costs. Now the company is up and running, with some financial success [anyone care to speculate how much?] and with a foundation of already-innovated-and-paid-for technology that it can build on.

With that in mind, what's next? A keyboard MoPho would be very cool, though I hope the company has the sense to keep its catalogue fairly focused.

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Re: Mopho Keyboard version

Post by tyrannosaurus mark » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:08 am

If they make a keyboard that looks like the mopho, I'll shoot myself
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Re: Mopho Keyboard version

Post by Joey » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:35 am

tyrannosaurus mark wrote:If they make a keyboard that looks like the mopho, I'll shoot myself
i like that its yellow, it stands out from all the generic silver and white (access and waldorf i'm looking at you) synths

as much as I love the look of my polar, I feel the whole apple white thing will look as dated as the 80s black keyboards very soon

synths with cool colors like the nords, old waldorfs, evolvers, etc, really stand out and grab attention

I hope they make it bright f**k pink or something crazy

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Re: Mopho Keyboard version

Post by xpander » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:36 am

tyrannosaurus mark wrote:If they make a keyboard that looks like the mopho, I'll shoot myself
my guess is that you should buy bullets now.

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Re: Mopho Keyboard version

Post by Stab Frenzy » Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:57 am

Joey wrote:I feel the whole apple white thing will look as dated as the 80s black keyboards very soon
Totally, Apple don't even do the Apple white thing any more...

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Re: Mopho Keyboard version

Post by Computer Controlled » Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:43 am

I would love to see an updated Evolver with proper wavetables. Imagine the sequences that can be had with the ability to use the sequencer to poke around the wavetable :twisted:

But a 2 octave MophoKB would be nice too, but please, no encoders this time! I prefer proper pots, and it seems most others do as well.
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Re: Mopho Keyboard version

Post by tallowwaters » Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:24 pm

tyrannosaurus mark wrote:If they make a keyboard that looks like the mopho, I'll shoot myself
Promise? We should write up a contract. I am already tired of hearing you b***h about how it looks.
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Re: Mopho Keyboard version

Post by Stab Frenzy » Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:01 pm

Computer Controlled wrote:I would love to see an updated Evolver with proper wavetables. Imagine the sequences that can be had with the ability to use the sequencer to poke around the wavetable :twisted:
How does one go about starting an online petition... :D
Computer Controlled wrote:But a 2 octave MophoKB would be nice too, but please, no encoders this time! I prefer proper pots, and it seems most others do as well.
I can't agree with you on that, and anyway using pots would put the price up a huge amount as you'd need to read each pot with an A/D convertor. So either less knobs or more cost. Encoders are convenient, more precise and don't jump. I can understand how people might be used to pots or stopped encoders, but endless encoders are my favourite by far.

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Re: Mopho Keyboard version

Post by Synthaholic » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:26 pm

The trouble with encoders is their resolution, or lack thereof. Thus the need to crank the knob multiple times to go from 0 to 127 or whatever. Acceleration algorithms help, but I like pots. Encoders are better underneath a jog dial than a knob IMHO.

Sure you need an A/D converter to have pots, but with multiplexing, one A/D can scan MANY pots. Look at the Andromeda, imagine if there was an A/D for every knob, the thing would cost more than a small car.

Just IMHO.

That said, I think instead of a MoPho keyboard, DSI could release a keyboard controller that contains a bay you'd stick a Mopho into. Or if it's big enough, two Mophos, to make a duophonic synth. The controller could add additional knobs, that would send sysex commands to the Mopho to speed editing. Then, you can pop your Mopho into the keyboard to make it into a keyboard synth, or pop it out and use it as a module.
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