How many Andromedas have been produced thus far?

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How many Andromedas have been produced thus far?

Post by obsidious » Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:57 pm

Just wondering...You always hear how many of the classics were produced, 10,000 Minis, 2000 J8s, 10 GX-1s(that reside in the western world anyway), 50,000 DX7s(IIRC), etc...

Obviously the percieved scarcity of an item raises its price, which is why Jupiter prices are now going nuts more than anything else I'd say, with the estimated 1300 that are still alive out there ownership is something to brag about these days regardless of opinions on the sound and functionality of the unit. So was thinking about this after reading through the new classics thread, How many A6s are there out there at this point? I'm guessing around 3000? I dig mine immensely and tend to think that yeah, in five or ten years they'll be highly sought after once the hoopla has died down, fully deserving of being in the anapoly hall of fame at some point in the future. I know that a lot of people poopoo the A6, don't really care if people think its undeserving of future classic status, but the perceived rarity of the machine will have alot to do with that down the line obviously.

Anyone here know how many are out there at this point? For that matter, while I'm at it I may as well ask, anyone know how many CS80's were produced? Matrix 12's? Synthex's? Memorymoog's? I'd hazard a guess that all of these would be even more scarce than J8's at this point...

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Re: How many Andromedas have been produced thus far?

Post by Syn303 » Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:23 pm

obsidious wrote:Anyone here know how many are out there at this point? For that matter, while I'm at it I may as well ask, anyone know how many CS80's were produced? Matrix 12's? Synthex's? Memorymoog's? I'd hazard a guess that all of these would be even more scarce than J8's at this point...
Check Pete Forrest's A-Z of Analogue Synths for this info... or just google this info. CS80 (around 2000 units), Matrix 12 only a small number were produced. Memorymoog's were made between 1982 and 1985. Helpful if you just google for this type of information. However our resident Synth expert Micke could tell you much better.
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Re: How many Andromedas have been produced thus far?

Post by urgetoplay » Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:38 pm

The myth about 2000 Jup8s rears it's ugly head again.
There are at least 3100+ Jup 8s made. Build quality was
Quite high so I doubt that a large portion no longer work.
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Re: How many Andromedas have been produced thus far?

Post by Dano » Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:18 pm

obsidious wrote:50,000 DX7s(IIRC), etc...
I think there were a little over 100,000 DX7s that were produced. The last I had heard the M1, DX7, and D50 were the synths produced in the greatest numbers.

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Re: How many Andromedas have been produced thus far?

Post by obsidious » Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:23 pm

Syn303 wrote:Check Pete Forrest's A-Z of Analogue Synths for this info... or just google this info. CS80 (around 2000 units), Matrix 12 only a small number were produced. Memorymoog's were made between 1982 and 1985. Helpful if you just google for this type of information. However our resident Synth expert Micke could tell you much better.

Ok so synthmuseum has 2000 as the number of CS80s produced, it also has 7 GX1s which isn't right and supposedly there are more GX1s still residing in the land of the rising sun apart from the 10 or so known to exist in the western world. Also there doesn't seem to be any info on matrix numbers out there at all that isn't completely vague, and my question is concerning the A6, the rest was just an afterthought so no need to chastise me for not resorting for google and anyway I thought the topic might be of interest to others here, what is the point of a forum like this if people just get told to go to google? :?
As far as jupiters yeah I've heard 2000 and I've heard 3000, unfortunately I haven't had a chance to count them all up personally as of yet so not sure? Again, heard an estimate for still working J8s was 1300 but my headcount is not progressing as smoothly as hoped and they are an extremely hardy board, so really who knows?

The focus of the OP was on the a6...Not sure if even Mike Peake or Dave Bryce would know this since Numark is running the show. I do know that there is the new batch in stores at the mo and they don't seem to be selling like hotcakes exactly, hardly suprising considering the state of global economics right now. I did hear that this was the final batch of about 20 or so coming out of Taiwan, supposedly the parts are drying up. Then again this isn't the first time a rumored "final" batch has made it into stores. My guess is around the numbers are similar to these other older polys, just figured someone on here might know better?

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Re: How many Andromedas have been produced thus far?

Post by obsidious » Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:35 pm

urgetoplay wrote:The myth about 2000 Jup8s rears it's ugly head again.
There are at least 3100+ Jup 8s made. Build quality was
Quite high so I doubt that a large portion no longer work.
Maybe the 2000/1300 numbers are just rumors designed to push prices higher then? Seems to be working...

Where do you get the 3100+ number from? Not disreputing, just wondering where you get such a concrete figure from? These various numbers get bandied about quite a bit as you well know. Maybe we can start some disinformation as to there being 5000 out there and bring prices back down to earth a bit? :mrgreen:

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Re: How many Andromedas have been produced thus far?

Post by urgetoplay » Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:06 pm

The # of Jupiter 8s was figured out on AH a while back by the serial #sand service documents.. Several people contributed to that thread. The first run was a preproduction run of 500.
These early Jupiters had more trimpots, and documentation was scanty/incorrect ( from Kevin Lightner who was a Roland tech at the time of their release).Tuning/calibration was a b***h. Serial #s began at 100. The service docs also explained the various revisions as the Jupiter 8 was fine tuned during its production run.
The highest documented serial # was an Ebay sale a few years back #3269. Starting at 100 gives you 3169 Jupiters. More than likely there are higher serial #s out there.
At one point I was collecting data for a Jupiter 8 website I wanted to build so I contacted every Ebay sale,owner, studio for serial #s.
There's a Roland Jupiter.org website that has a bit of information as well.
Adding to that was our own Micke who figured out the scheme for all the Roland gear serial #s.
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Re: How many Andromedas have been produced thus far?

Post by cornutt » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:07 pm

I've also heard numbers of slightly over 100,000 for the DX7. I've be curious as to how that compares to Motif and Fantom sales. And, it's remarkable now to look back and see that, at the time, the Minimoog was considered a mass production item and the 10,000 sold was astounding.

Here's a tidbit. Most estimates have it that only about 500 Fizmo keyboards and less than 100 racks were built. Of the keyboards, my own figuring has it that less than 200 are still functional today, mostly on account of the voltage regulator issues that have fried a great many of the CPU boards. Of the racks, I can only account for six.
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Re: How many Andromedas have been produced thus far?

Post by aredj » Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:40 pm

Wow... thats crazy.. my friend has a fizmo rack...

I wonder if he realizes the rarity of it... (I know he's thinking of selling....)

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Re: How many Andromedas have been produced thus far?

Post by mcomeg » Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:48 pm

Just for context, how do these numbers compare to modern production runs? I have no idea how many items such as MicroKorgs or Motifs are showing up.
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Re: How many Andromedas have been produced thus far?

Post by urgetoplay » Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:15 pm

I know of at least 14 Fizmo rack owners. Another pet project trying to track that one down. The Yahoo Fizmo group has several as well as a few members on this board;myself included own a rack Fizmo 8)
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Re: How many Andromedas have been produced thus far?

Post by elmacaco » Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:14 pm

I spoke to a Numark rep some 2 years ago and he said Alesis was making about 2-3 Andromedas per month and that was keeping up well with the demand for them. I imagine they kept this up for a while. 3000-4000 wouldn't surprise me, they have been around since 2001.

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Post by steveman » Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:38 am

elmacaco wrote:I spoke to a Numark rep some 2 years ago and he said Alesis was making about 2-3 Andromedas per month and that was keeping up well with the demand for them. I imagine they kept this up for a while. 3000-4000 wouldn't surprise me, they have been around since 2001.
At the rate of 3 per month it'd take over 80 years to for them to produce 3000... While I'm sure production was higher at the start I'm not sure it would have been that much higher, it was always their flagship /niche synth. I'd be surprised if there were more than 2000 out there.

From your Numark rep (assuming he's a reliable source) we know pretty much that no more than 70 have been produced in the last 2 years and they must have been doing that for a while for him to have made that remark. That makes around 100 in the last 3 years, which leaves leaves 2001 - 5. Even if production in all those years had been say 10 x the current rate (unlikely IMO) that still only makes around 1600 total.

BTW I'm sure I've read in several places that Yamaha sold over 150,000 DX-7's.

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Re: How many Andromedas have been produced thus far?

Post by Cybercardinal » Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:59 pm

Sorry to go off topic here...but does anybody know how many Korg MS-20 were made?
And maybe Korg SQ-10 also?

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