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Re: Best synthesizer breakdowns ever (hardcore metal style).

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:42 pm
by calaverasgrande
Stab Frenzy wrote:
Desecrated wrote:Just want to point out that burzum is a nazi and in prison for killing somebody. Not really the best guy to advertise about.
In your opinion do you think we're still in the 'too soon' stage and he'll end up like Wagner where everyone can separate the politics from the music or will they always be tied together?
Me personally, I don't think Varg Vikernes is a musical talent on the level of Wagner or Orff. He may be seminal for black metal. But I think that has more to do with murdering one of his own friends. It gave him "cred".
Unfortunately this has given him a pulpit from which to spread racist and neo-nazi beliefs.

Re: Best synthesizer breakdowns ever (hardcore metal style).

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:55 pm
by Stab Frenzy
So you think it's acceptable to be anti-semetic as long as you're exceptionally talented? Or does it just require time to pass?

Re: Best synthesizer breakdowns ever (hardcore metal style).

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:06 pm
by Plumpudding
First of all, it's Varg Vikernes, secondly Varg is a f**k insane, murderous family man, and in my opinion ofc, racism is never okay, even though it has nothing to do with music. That's where I mean Varg Vikernes, Oy'ers etc fail, by mixing their skewed, extreme views with music. It doesn't matter if he's Mozart Messiah born again. He tries to mix politics with art, which is, again in my opinion, two completely different and seperate things, and that's where I mean most political music fail, and atleast when so extreme opinions as his are presented. I actually find music with a obvious political agenda pretty f**k embarrasing.

Re: Best synthesizer breakdowns ever (hardcore metal style).

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:48 pm
by Desecrated
Stab Frenzy wrote:
Desecrated wrote:Just want to point out that burzum is a nazi and in prison for killing somebody. Not really the best guy to advertise about.
In your opinion do you think we're still in the 'too soon' stage and he'll end up like Wagner where everyone can separate the politics from the music or will they always be tied together?
I don't listen to wagner just because he was a flaming anti-semite. Same thing with bach.

Re: Best synthesizer breakdowns ever (hardcore metal style).

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:50 pm
by James Mandible
Eeek, I was just posting Burzum as an example of synths used in extreme metal, didn't mean to provoke this tired old discussion.
For the record, not that it matters, Varg's been out of prison for a few years now. Also I've never really thought of him as someone who mixes his music and his politics, beyond possibly extremely veiled allusions through the Nordic mythology he invokes.
Personally I really don't care anymore (I've been involved in the neo-folk/noise/black metal scenes for a LONG time, and more often than not the musicians that are prominent in those fields tend to have extreme views that I personally don't agree with) but I find it fully understandable when people don't want to listen to music made by such people.
I just believe in separating the music from the musicians I suppose.

Re: Best synthesizer breakdowns ever (hardcore metal style).

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:03 pm
by Plumpudding
I'll agree with that to a certain extent, but Varg has been very clear on his views both in his music and otherwise, as has many other black metal musicians, some because they actually believe the s**t they say, and others because they think it makes them seem more edgy/cool/dangerous etc. As I said, I get really embarrased by ANY kind of OBVIOUS political music. But I try to separate personal views of the musician from the music said individual creates, IF this type of political agenda is not pushed down my throat. In my view music and political agenda's don't mix very well.

Re: Best synthesizer breakdowns ever (hardcore metal style).

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:52 am
by ninja6485
yea sorry, definitly diddn't wan't to bring that up. i think his music is great,(it's all about lord of the rings and norse mythology, no politics really...) and i'm aware that the popular conception of him as a media figure is hugely distorted. Though he did what he did, he served his time and he's out of jail. since then he has released 2 albums: belus, and fallen. both solid efforts, but i'll still hold hvis lyset tar oss closer to my heart. :giveheart:

and again, the political things he has to say are completely separate from his music. i'm sure they're quite insane, but you can find at least info about them here:
http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/

and some lyrics here:
http://www.burzum.org/eng/discography/o ... _oss.shtml



and a short example of a famous song:

When night falls
She cloaks the world
In impenetrable darkness
A chill rises
From the soil
And contaminates the air
Suddenly...
Life has new meaning

Re: Best synthesizer breakdowns ever (hardcore metal style).

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:18 pm
by space6oy
lazerface wrote:gabe serbian is also absolutely incredible on drums.

he's one of my favorites. dude's inhuman. if you don't want to sit through the whole set, just skip to 2.47. i love that track so much, and they rip through it even faster live...

silikon wrote:Two points for identifying the synth in this one:
Image
zero points for me, what is that? had me digging through soviets...

Re: Best synthesizer breakdowns ever (hardcore metal style).

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:21 pm
by Phollop Willing PA




The second video is the Young Gods doing what I think is the best version ever of Mack the Knife.

I think I have about 90% of everything they ever recorded.

Re: Best synthesizer breakdowns ever (hardcore metal style).

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:26 pm
by lazerface
space6oy wrote:
lazerface wrote:gabe serbian is also absolutely incredible on drums.

he's one of my favorites. dude's inhuman. if you don't want to sit through the whole set, just skip to 2.47. i love that track so much, and they rip through it even faster live...

I frequently find myself watching this vid of Serbian..mind blowing!
AOTKPTA would have to be one of my all time favourite tracks too!



Im also point-less on the Refused synth..what the hecks is that?

Re: Best synthesizer breakdowns ever (hardcore metal style).

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:05 am
by space6oy
his kit's arrangement of toms is kind of an odd one, too. interesting how he utilizes that.

Re: Best synthesizer breakdowns ever (hardcore metal style).

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:14 am
by Stab Frenzy
Yeah, two floors but with one behind the snare. One of the bands I work with all the time has no rack and two floors and he plays them both off to the right, it tends to twist him away from the hats though. I can see how this way would work well. I mixed a band made up of jazz dudes a little while ago and the drummer had two snares, a piccolo to the left of the hats in addition to a big wooden one. That was unexpected.

Re: Best synthesizer breakdowns ever (hardcore metal style).

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:38 am
by Sir Ruff
space6oy wrote:
silikon wrote:Two points for identifying the synth in this one:
Image
zero points for me, what is that? had me digging through soviets...
A Maplin 4600

Re: Best synthesizer breakdowns ever (hardcore metal style).

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:53 pm
by space6oy
nice, thanks! looks like it's also known as an ETI 4600.

Re: Best synthesizer breakdowns ever (hardcore metal style).

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:08 am
by lazerface
hard to imagine a band like Refused having such an obscure synth.. RESPECT!

anyways..back to the metal.

hard to go past Genghis Tron. love the start of this track.