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so what happens when we cant get curtis chips no more?

Post by adhmzaiusz » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:50 am

title says it all. now that curtis is no longer, so many classic synths are based on an assortment of these chips. theres not an unlimited supply, and my oberheim seems to have an appetite for these. do you guys think there will be a chip crisis :(
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Re: so what happens when we cant get curtis chips no more?

Post by johans121 » Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:52 am

ummmm..... yes
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Re: so what happens when we cant get curtis chips no more?

Post by mirt » Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:24 am

all analog synths will die and go to heven... or trash can...or..... someone will made copy, like with juno 106 and will be rich, RICH!!!! :twisted:

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Re: so what happens when we cant get curtis chips no more?

Post by Stab Frenzy » Sun Feb 22, 2009 1:57 pm

Maybe you'll have to use some of the other great synths that are on offer.

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Re: so what happens when we cant get curtis chips no more?

Post by Yoozer » Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:14 pm

Hope someone clones them.

If there's nobody stepping up to the job, it's time to learn about analog electronics yourself. Chips are miniaturized circuits; if you can recreate the circuits on a bigger board, the only problem is size.

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Re: so what happens when we cant get curtis chips no more?

Post by Christopher Winkels » Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:17 pm

Nature abhors a vacuum.

Providing that demand is sufficient, there either could be a reissue via another interested manufacturer, or someone willing to design a new chipset that a whole new generation of synths could be based on.

Definitely not a certainty, but if the prices are high enough....

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Re: so what happens when we cant get curtis chips no more?

Post by Pilot352 » Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:52 pm

Carnac the Magnificent says the answer is in this envelope which has been hermetically sealed and kept in a mayonnaise jar on the porch of Funk a Wangners since noon today.

*open the envelope*

The answer is.... (drum roll please)....

"The price of working synths will go up (even more than they are now)!

So do we call the clone Curtis chips the "Jamie Lee's"?
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Re: so what happens when we cant get curtis chips no more?

Post by Pilot352 » Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:59 pm

Yoozer wrote:Hope someone clones them.

If there's nobody stepping up to the job, it's time to learn about analog electronics yourself. Chips are miniaturized circuits; if you can recreate the circuits on a bigger board, the only problem is size.

Right?
Well, yes and no on this one...

One of the things that gives audio circuits their character is unwanted design effects such as crosstalk and distortion. Just consider the Hammond B3 Organ. Many have tried to duplicate it's sound and failed. They've gotten real close though by introducing it's flaws into the emulation. Flaws such as motor noise, distortion of the amps and even rotational variances in the tone wheels.

You will get close with a discrete redesign, but with all emulations, theres going to be those out there that will fight to the death they hear a difference and it would never measure up to the original. Even though a side-by-side blind taste test between the two would most likely fail by those same individuals (aka morons) who claim to hear the difference.
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Re: so what happens when we cant get curtis chips no more?

Post by Synthaholic » Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:26 pm

Someone will probably clone them.

Doesn't DSI use newly manufactured Curtis-type chips in their current line of synths?
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Post by minime123 » Sun Feb 22, 2009 5:29 pm

i suspect that if someone forked over enough money they could get curtis to remanufacture them.
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Re: so what happens when we cant get curtis chips no more?

Post by adhmzaiusz » Sun Feb 22, 2009 5:47 pm

well i hope that someone remanufactures them at least, curtis has all the schematics on their page. I was thinking of the discrete idea when i posted this, but the synth would require alot of room inside especially for those poly synths that have synth on chips! its unfortunate that since Doug Curtis passed on, nobody from the company was willing to continue the legacy...
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Re: so what happens when we cant get curtis chips no more?

Post by pricklyrobot » Sun Feb 22, 2009 6:07 pm

Christopher Winkels wrote:Providing that demand is sufficient
It isn't.

Herein lies the whole problem. You may have people willing to pay increasingly high amounts of money for these chips, but the number of people is comparatively small and not getting bigger.

Electronic component manufacture is a volume business. You make your money selling 1,000,000 chips at 50 cents apiece, not by selling 100 chips at 50 bucks apiece.

Maybe someone will start a custom-order chip reissue business (the chip equivalent of an independent record label that puts out obscure, out-of-print classics), that licenses the designs from the original companies and produces them on a small scale for high retail prices. But I wouldn't expect that the original companies would ever find it worth their while to fire up their factories again for something with such a limited, finite market.
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Re: so what happens when we cant get curtis chips no more?

Post by Rangoon » Sun Feb 22, 2009 6:30 pm

adhmzaiusz wrote: do you guys think there will be a chip crisis ? :(
No. The failure rate of Curtis chips on a well-maintained 25 yr. old synth is no more than when it was new. Furthermore, the availability of chips in dormant synths exceeds demand for the forseeable future...

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Re: so what happens when we cant get curtis chips no more?

Post by xpander » Sun Feb 22, 2009 6:34 pm

they will make more without or someone will clone them. it'll probably happen fairly soon as cloned chips are becoming more common. same goes with the motors that work with the old Space Echos.

it only takes one motivated engineer to clone the design.

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Re: so what happens when we cant get curtis chips no more?

Post by Synthaholic » Sun Feb 22, 2009 6:36 pm

One doesn't necessarily have to clone the chip die itself either, someone could design a mini PCB with SMD components that do the same thing and fit into the IC socket. Much like the Juno-106 clone chips. They aren't chips at all, just mini PCBs with multiple chips. But then, the original Juno chips were the same way.
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