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Making analog-type strings on SY77

Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 7:28 pm
by Strangenono
Hi everybody,
I was looking through my yamaha sy77 banks and saw that there were no analog strings on it. I wasn't searching for a perfect recreation of jupiters or obies but something like this.
I started programming the awm section but didn't succeed in . I tried with both saw wave I and II but nothing ended in something decent, always something too "violinistic" , I mean very close to an acoustic sound.I also tried to layer it with itself and detune them but it still sucked. Even the preset called "obie strg" seems lacking something while on some digital keyboards of that time such as m1 or wavestation we were able to find decent analog strings emulations...Does anybody has advices or even sysex of such a thing ? Post demos of your work if you can.
Thx

Re: Making analog-type strings on SY77

Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 8:38 pm
by Syn303
I noticed you own an Alesis Fusion 6HD, why don't you use the multisampling capabilities of that?

Seeing as the Fusion allows multisampling (128 multisamples per sample), you could buy an analogue string machines Sample CD and load them into the fusion, as it accepts WAV and aiff files. That's one possibility you could look at.

One sample CD is XX-Large String Machines (2-CD Collection) http://www.soundsonline.com/XX-Large-St ... S-130.html

Re: Making analog-type strings on SY77

Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 9:09 pm
by b3groover
May I suggest you consider buying this sound bank: http://www.electric-himalaya.com/yamaha_sy77.html

I do not know the guy personally, but I took the plunge after listening to the samples on his site and I'm glad I did. He has a couple of really nice analog string pads in there and you can take apart the sounds and see how he did it (mainly FM). It's a very well programmed bank of sounds.

My two cents.

Re: Making analog-type strings on SY77

Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 1:46 pm
by Strangenono
Thx for your answers,
but I' m not going to spend 25 bucks in a bank, I find it too expensive, in particular to only get ideas on how to make an analogish pad.
The AFM has some kind of interesting patches but definitely not matching my needs, I need to use awm but can't get a respectable result. I also won't use the fusion for it since I know how to make such sounds out of it but was just curious about the way the sy could do it.
Any other suggestion ?

I would like to sound like this : http://www.synthmania.com/Korg%20T3/Aud ... ogpad1.mp3
( this comes from a korg t3 but still remains on simple saw waves)

Re: Making analog-type strings on SY77

Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 1:53 pm
by b3groover
$25 is a steal for that bank, imo.

You can make saw waves in FM. I guess you need to learn how to program FM. The SY77 can do what you're asking pretty easily.

Good luck.

Re: Making analog-type strings on SY77

Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 5:43 pm
by socalsynths
Fm is the key- not AWM here. Do a double FM structure, utilizing a soft, detuned saw sound (go brassy- soft and breathy-brassy if you're using a disk preset). Detune -12, +12 fine points on each and then run both through the LPF, set at about 44. Run slow envelopes, hit it with chorus and delay, and you'll get a very JX-ish sounding synth string sound.

Re: Making analog-type strings on SY77

Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 8:06 pm
by HideawayStudio
There are some superb analog emulations on the SY77 and many, as others have said, are heavily synthesized from scratch ie. mosty filtered FM rather than AWM1 based. I came across some brilliant phasey Jarresque strings today on mine - look for a patch called "ConvoStrgs" - instant Rendezvous 2!

The SY77 was terribly let down by it's factory presets and some of its AWM samples - it's a monster! 8)

Re: Making analog-type strings on SY77

Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 6:16 am
by Virgule
:)

Re: Making analog-type strings on SY77

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 3:19 am
by b3groover
That sounds pretty kick-a*s.