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Re: Do you aknowledge the importance of dance music

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:40 pm
by Soundwave
I've got Silver Apples, Tonto Rdies Again and I'm partial to a bit of Jarre and 'Berlin School' here and there, heck I was into that well before dance music had matured to that level.

I was the geek at high school with the state of the art Walkman and chrome Jarre cassttes when everyone else was getting thier mums to sew Iron Maiden or Guns n Roses patches to their school jackets!!

Re: Do you aknowledge the importance of dance music

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:08 pm
by OriginalJambo
meatballfulton wrote:Electronic dance music is a broad set of percussive music genres that largely inherit from 1970s disco music and, to some extent, the experimental pop music of Kraftwerk.
Considering most of today's "dance" music that I hear is thumpa-thumpa repetitive tat with supersaw leads and vocals samples on top, I fail to see how it relates at all to disco music. Where are the funky bass lines? The harmonies? The killer chord progressions? This sort of stuff seems to be present in some forms of underground scenes ("house" music for one, though I'm sure there are many), but if you walk into most clubs the stuff they play sure doesn't sound anything like disco to me!

Re: Do you aknowledge the importance of dance music

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:14 am
by Soundwave
OriginalJambo wrote:
meatballfulton wrote:Electronic dance music is a broad set of percussive music genres that largely inherit from 1970s disco music and, to some extent, the experimental pop music of Kraftwerk.
Considering most of today's "dance" music that I hear is thumpa-thumpa repetitive tat with supersaw leads and vocals samples on top, I fail to see how it relates at all to disco music. Where are the funky bass lines? The harmonies? The killer chord progressions? This sort of stuff seems to be present in some forms of underground scenes ("house" music for one, though I'm sure there are many), but if you walk into most clubs the stuff they play sure doesn't sound anything like disco to me!

Some of it does..... :)




but then again some of it doesn't..... :twisted:




it all depends on what club you go too :wink:

Re: Do you aknowledge the importance of dance music

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:28 am
by Automatic Gainsay
OriginalJambo wrote:
meatballfulton wrote:Electronic dance music is a broad set of percussive music genres that largely inherit from 1970s disco music and, to some extent, the experimental pop music of Kraftwerk.
Considering most of today's "dance" music that I hear is thumpa-thumpa repetitive tat with supersaw leads and vocals samples on top, I fail to see how it relates at all to disco music. Where are the funky bass lines? The harmonies? The killer chord progressions? This sort of stuff seems to be present in some forms of underground scenes ("house" music for one, though I'm sure there are many), but if you walk into most clubs the stuff they play sure doesn't sound anything like disco to me!
Well, if the elements you listed were the ONLY elements that defined disco, I could see how you'd have trouble connecting them. However, they're not. In fact, you avoided every single element which is shared by disco and electronic dance music.

Of primary significance in disco was a four-on-the-floor bass drum at a danceable tempo around 120. While such things had occurred in music previous to disco, disco, as a genre, was built entirely around this beat and tempo. Electronic dance music is based on it, too.
The drums in disco are largely directed at generating rhythmic elements which keep you dancing, or build excitement. There are rarely odd meters, intermittent or random accents (at least not without the four-on-the-floor or a high hat keeping time), moments without rhythm, or tempo changes.
The structure of the songs include constant crescendos of volume and instrumentation, which inspires dancers. These crescendos often result in a breakdown which leaves at least one rhythmic element going... and then builds back up.
The content of disco was often self-referential... it was about dancing, and lyrical, etc. content often proved it.
MANY beats unique to disco can be found consistently imitated in electronic dance music. Most, really.
Disco often simplified... took out developmental sections, took out complex song structures, took out expressive or emotive subjects, took out singing... leaving a simpler structure which was more effective for dancing.
Disco spearheaded sixteenth note basslines.
Repetition inspires dance. Disco embraced repetition more than rock ever had.
Lots of mainstay elements found in disco were taken by electronic dance music... the high hat on the off-beat eighths, for example.

Of course, more modern electronic dance may be moving away from these connective elements... but that doesn't change what actually happened.
While modern electronic music is full of false connections to previous music ("Pierre Schaeffer, THE FIRST TURNTABLIST..." "Delia Derbyshire: BEAT MATCHING VIRTUOSA," etc. God, I could kill someone) , the disco connection is solid.

Re: Do you aknowledge the importance of dance music

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:30 am
by Automatic Gainsay
Soundwave wrote:but then again some of it doesn't..... :twisted:

That cannot be danced to. :lol:

Re: Do you aknowledge the importance of dance music

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:59 am
by snsr
Automatic Gainsay wrote:
Soundwave wrote:but then again some of it doesn't..... :twisted:

That cannot be danced to. :lol:
What? You just have to dance fast, man.

Re: Do you aknowledge the importance of dance music

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:15 pm
by Soundwave
Automatic Gainsay wrote:
Soundwave wrote:but then again some of it doesn't..... :twisted:

That cannot be danced to. :lol:
You don't dance to 'IDM' you just nod your head and scratch your chin. :mrgreen:

Re: Do you aknowledge the importance of dance music

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:00 pm
by Christopher Winkels
Ah, so that's what replaced Prog then.

Re: Do you aknowledge the importance of dance music

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:53 am
by Automatic Gainsay
Soundwave wrote:
Automatic Gainsay wrote:
Soundwave wrote:but then again some of it doesn't..... :twisted:

That cannot be danced to. :lol:
You don't dance to 'IDM' you just nod your head and scratch your chin. :mrgreen:
But those are my punk dancing moves.

Re: Do you aknowledge the importance of dance music

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:22 am
by Neonlights84
Automatic Gainsay wrote:
OriginalJambo wrote:
meatballfulton wrote:Electronic dance music is a broad set of percussive music genres that largely inherit from 1970s disco music and, to some extent, the experimental pop music of Kraftwerk.
Considering most of today's "dance" music that I hear is thumpa-thumpa repetitive tat with supersaw leads and vocals samples on top, I fail to see how it relates at all to disco music. Where are the funky bass lines? The harmonies? The killer chord progressions? This sort of stuff seems to be present in some forms of underground scenes ("house" music for one, though I'm sure there are many), but if you walk into most clubs the stuff they play sure doesn't sound anything like disco to me!
Well, if the elements you listed were the ONLY elements that defined disco, I could see how you'd have trouble connecting them. However, they're not. In fact, you avoided every single element which is shared by disco and electronic dance music.

Of primary significance in disco was a four-on-the-floor bass drum at a danceable tempo around 120. While such things had occurred in music previous to disco, disco, as a genre, was built entirely around this beat and tempo. Electronic dance music is based on it, too.
The drums in disco are largely directed at generating rhythmic elements which keep you dancing, or build excitement. There are rarely odd meters, intermittent or random accents (at least not without the four-on-the-floor or a high hat keeping time), moments without rhythm, or tempo changes.
The structure of the songs include constant crescendos of volume and instrumentation, which inspires dancers. These crescendos often result in a breakdown which leaves at least one rhythmic element going... and then builds back up.
The content of disco was often self-referential... it was about dancing, and lyrical, etc. content often proved it.
MANY beats unique to disco can be found consistently imitated in electronic dance music. Most, really.
Disco often simplified... took out developmental sections, took out complex song structures, took out expressive or emotive subjects, took out singing... leaving a simpler structure which was more effective for dancing.
Disco spearheaded sixteenth note basslines.
Repetition inspires dance. Disco embraced repetition more than rock ever had.
Lots of mainstay elements found in disco were taken by electronic dance music... the high hat on the off-beat eighths, for example.

Of course, more modern electronic dance may be moving away from these connective elements... but that doesn't change what actually happened.
While modern electronic music is full of false connections to previous music ("Pierre Schaeffer, THE FIRST TURNTABLIST..." "Delia Derbyshire: BEAT MATCHING VIRTUOSA," etc. God, I could kill someone) , the disco connection is solid.
Well you clobbered that one into the cheap seats AG. An excellent post if i may say so. I think all too often disco is classified only by the god awful pap that came towards the end of the genre, when it had reached its commercial critical mass. Early disco was the stepping stone that created a sort of embryonic rap and hip hop, and it surely is responsible for a great deal of danceable electronic music.

And now, for some great disco......

Re: Do you aknowledge the importance of dance music

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:10 am
by suitandtieguy
Automatic Gainsay wrote:"Pierre Schaeffer, THE FIRST TURNTABLIST..." "Delia Derbyshire: BEAT MATCHING VIRTUOSA," etc. God, I could kill someone
what about "Bruce Haack: The King of Techno" or whatever that movie was. srsly wtf is wrong with these people? tell ya what Mr Gainsay ... i'll fuel the Crown Victoria up, put the Wiffle bats in the trunk, drive over to your house and we can go hipster hunting. no killing, let's just go take their MicroKorgs away or something.

i'd like to see a really good movie about either the Chicago or Detroit 80s scenes ... like 24-Hour Party People for the midwest basically. unfortunately that would never happen i think ... but the scene where the DJ is flipping out because he needs to come up with new material because his Casablanca twelve inches are all wearing out so bad he's got to throw them out would be priceless i'm sure.

at lease we have "Pump Up The Volume: A History of House" and "Universal Techno" ... even though you can't buy either of them on DVD which is IMHO a shame.

in answer to the original thread poster, yes.

Re: Do you aknowledge the importance of dance music

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:10 am
by tekkentool
without getting off topic, h**l yes i acknowledge the importance of dance music as a whole, funnily enough EDM brought me into the world of synthesizers, and then my interests in music switched over from EDM to prog/metal. i still dabble into it and respect it, but it's definitely not my scene anymore.

Re: Do you aknowledge the importance of dance music

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:57 am
by Virgule
:)

Re: Do you aknowledge the importance of dance music

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:57 am
by Virgule
:)

Re: Do you aknowledge the importance of dance music

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:27 pm
by Suburban Bather
Arguing over the importance of a genre of music is pointless. You either like it or not. Here is a good doc. on Detroit techno, enjoy- http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... +tech+soul