Page 4 of 9

Re: Yamaha - enemies of synthsis!

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:13 am
by Automatic Gainsay
maindeglorie wrote:So... It's Automatic Gainsay who wanted the CS-1x??? 8)
You know what? Kind of.
In 1996, I had heard Moog Cookbook and The Rentals, and was remembering how I had always been able to get the sounds I wanted out of analog synths. I was craving analog, but I didn't know how many analog synths were around or available (certainly not many in Spokane, WA) [yes, children... the internet existed then, but there wasn't a fraction of the information regarding analog synths as there is now, and there was no eBay] I wanted an analog synth but imagined that they were either too expensive or too rare. While I didn't tell Yamaha of this, I certainly wanted something that looked and felt analog. I ended up buying a Korg Prophecy. I voted for VA with my 1996 dollars.

Re: Yamaha - enemies of synthsis!

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:45 am
by maindeglorie
Wait.... a comparison of the Prophecy to the CS-1X? I'm never taking your advice again. haha
The Prophecy was a good synth. I hated programming it, but good nevertheless. Yamaha still had a huge win with the AN-1x, but I'm pretty sure it was an accident that the thing sounded so good, because they never made anything glose to it again.

Re: Yamaha - enemies of synthsis!

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:19 am
by Hugo76
I think Yamaha made a bold move with the Tenori-On, something that doesn't really add up considering the hw market. But respect to Yamaha for developing it. The problem is probably that it is too expensive for most. The idea is brilliant, but I think many decided the Kaossilator was a decent substitute, and at a ridiculously low price.

If Yamaha could slash the price of the Tenori-On, throw in a real Motif engine w/real patch editing (the one present is far too limited), it could prove a winner.
The day of big, expensive hw synths are definately over, but there's still a market for cheaper boxes. Isn't the MicroKorg one of the most popular hw synths of all time? Korg (and Roland) are doing a clever thing, I think, releasing stuff like this - Yamaha should follow. How about an updated FS1r groovebox (similar to the AN-200 & DX-200)?

Re: Yamaha - enemies of synthsis!

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:49 pm
by aeon
tom Cadillac wrote:To my ears the fs1r is a contender for the best sounding synth ever.
Now that I own one, and know the sound directly with my own ears, I agree with you.


cheers,
Ian

Re: Yamaha - enemies of synthsis!

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:38 pm
by ItsMeOnly
maindeglorie wrote:AN-1x, but I'm pretty sure it was an accident that the thing sounded so good, because they never made anything glose to it again.
It wasn't an accident, it was modeled to sound close to Prophet 5. There was one fatal flaw though. AN1x was supposedly designed by... Germans. The Yamaha Europe guys in Germany (the same to introduce CS1x concept), to be exact.

Re: Yamaha - enemies of synthsis!

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:55 pm
by Shreddie
aeon wrote:
tom Cadillac wrote:To my ears the fs1r is a contender for the best sounding synth ever.
Now that I own one, and know the sound directly with my own ears, I agree with you.
That and the K5000 series. The FS1R may just beat it for clarity of sound but the K5000 beats the FS1R for expression.

Re: Yamaha - enemies of synthsis!

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:19 pm
by pflosi
ItsMeOnly wrote:
maindeglorie wrote:AN-1x, but I'm pretty sure it was an accident that the thing sounded so good, because they never made anything glose to it again.
It wasn't an accident, it was modeled to sound close to Prophet 5. There was one fatal flaw though. AN1x was supposedly designed by... Germans. The Yamaha Europe guys in Germany (the same to introduce CS1x concept), to be exact.
you call that a flaw??? (not talking bout the an1x neither bout the germans ;))

Re: Yamaha - enemies of synthsis!

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:53 pm
by b3groover
Shreddie wrote:
aeon wrote:
tom Cadillac wrote:To my ears the fs1r is a contender for the best sounding synth ever.
Now that I own one, and know the sound directly with my own ears, I agree with you.
That and the K5000 series. The FS1R may just beat it for clarity of sound but the K5000 beats the FS1R for expression.
I'm not familiar with the K5000 series other than what I've read. I'm definitely intrigued by them. The modulation / controller matrix on the FS1R, though, is pretty expansive.

Re: Yamaha - enemies of synthsis!

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:12 am
by Hugo76
ItsMeOnly wrote:It wasn't an accident, it was modeled to sound close to Prophet 5. There was one fatal flaw though. AN1x was supposedly designed by... Germans. The Yamaha Europe guys in Germany (the same to introduce CS1x concept), to be exact.
How could that be a "flaw"? Considering that Germany are one of the leaders in synthesizer designs, it should initially be a very good idea to hire a German team for the job.

Waldorf is German, same with Native Instruments & Access... These make some of the best synths in the world.

Re: Yamaha - enemies of synthsis!

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:43 am
by Ashe37
ItsMeOnly wrote:
maindeglorie wrote:AN-1x, but I'm pretty sure it was an accident that the thing sounded so good, because they never made anything glose to it again.
It wasn't an accident, it was modeled to sound close to Prophet 5. There was one fatal flaw though. AN1x was supposedly designed by... Germans. The Yamaha Europe guys in Germany (the same to introduce CS1x concept), to be exact.
The AN-1x was originally going to be the CS-3x...

Re: Yamaha - enemies of synthsis!

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:59 am
by ItsMeOnly
Ashe37 wrote:The AN-1x was originally going to be the CS-3x...
Source?

Re: Yamaha - enemies of synthsis!

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:32 am
by Syn303
ItsMeOnly wrote:
Ashe37 wrote:The AN-1x was originally going to be the CS-3x...
Source?
Do your research instead of saying "Source?"

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1997_ar ... aan1x.html

Review of AN1x by Sound On Sound August 1997

"Apparently, the original planned name for AN1x was the CS3x, but the re-naming makes possible a whole new series of 'AN' analogue modelling synths, whilst the CS series can continue with S&S."

Re: Yamaha - enemies of synthsis!

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:37 pm
by Instrument Panel
I like Yamaha, I think they've made some excellent synths.
If I had a criticism, it would be that they sometimes make their keyboards physically bigger than they need to be.
Seems un-Japanese. I prefer things to be compact, if possible. :?
But they are not the enemies of synthesis. Or indeed of 'synthsis' (sp).
They are the allies of all who oppose the axis of synth evil - whoever that might be (guitarists probably.)

Re: Yamaha - enemies of synthsis!

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:39 pm
by Analogue Crazy
Im very fond of Yamaha too. I have owned a CS-10, CS-40M and am now a DX addict, all are fantastic sounding Synths. I will always have a soft spot for the CS range, ever since i had a go on a CS-80 i fell in love with thier distinctive sound.

I don't care what anyone says about the DX7, in my opinion it's one of the most amazing sounding Synths ever produced. And if you put in lots of time like i now have it is not all that bad to program. I also have a DX-11 which is great for simpler DX patches, but the DX7 really kicks some a*s if you know how to program it properly.

Here is my DX7S:
Image

Re: Yamaha - enemies of synthsis!

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:46 pm
by ItsMeOnly
Syn303 wrote:Do your research instead of saying "Source?"
No mood for starting flame war. It's simply that nobody I know at Yamaha knew about that.