DX7IID Plus vs. DX7IIFD

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DX7IID Plus vs. DX7IIFD

Post by bradkë » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:29 pm

Can someone explain this synth to me? I have never heard of the DX7IID Plus.

Looks to be just like a DX7IIFD considering, to my knowledge, the ONLY difference between the D and FD was the disk drive.

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Re: DX7IID Plus vs. DX7IIFD

Post by calyx93 » Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:12 pm

Just looking the photos over, it looks to be a DX7IID with a floppy drive - so I'm not sure if this is just an earlier incarnation of the DX7IIFD, a differently named model for another country's market or an intermediate model between the IID and IIFD. Like you stated, I was always under the impression that the difference was only the floppy drive. I know one thing - I've never seen one before for sure. Thanks for sharing.

EDIT - upon closer inspection of the photos, the "plus" seems to be just a sticker/decal. Maybe added by the user? Maybe an internal add-on like the E! upgrade. Possibly a memory upgrade? Who can say?

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Re: DX7IID Plus vs. DX7IIFD

Post by zukskywalker » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:49 pm

Yeah, yeah, this is one of my old favorite semi-answered questions. The old belief was that the plus had a "faster" floppy drive in it and no the plus label is not a sticker but is factory paint. I had one a few decades ago but didn't have anything to compare it against. The hot model back then was the (let me take a deep breath first).....DX7IIFDplusE!
It's still quite a capable keyboard. Built like a tank, nice feature set as a controller, and not too heavy, with the earlier DX7 shortcomings resolved.

I just took a look at the photos and that is one clean DX that looks to be in very nice condition. I hope no one here is bidding on this.

BIG EDIT: I just looked at the full size pictures and yes, on that DX7 the plus does appear to be a sticker. And even more telling is that the typeface is in a different font (italicized like the original but still the wrong font)than the one that I've seen painted on. Something's amiss.

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Re: DX7IID Plus vs. DX7IIFD

Post by White » Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:03 pm

Was the DX7IIDplus a third party upgrade or an afterthought? I came across one of these when I was looking for a replacement for my DX7S a few years ago but it was too expensive and located in Canada. I now have a DX7IID which I'm more than happy with.
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Re: DX7IID Plus vs. DX7IIFD

Post by zukskywalker » Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:17 pm

Now I remember. I think.
The IID designation is where the confusion seems to start as it does NOT imply a drive. The final IIFD model DOES include the floppy drive, and the IIDplus appears to be an intermediate upgrade to a floppy drive. If all that is true then there really shouldn't be a IIFDplus model at all. My mistake.
So, after all of that, a plus model is just a IID with a factory floppy drive upgrade. The FD is the same animal with a different name.

I think.

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Re: DX7IID Plus vs. DX7IIFD

Post by White » Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:30 pm

Yes, I think that is correct.
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Re: DX7IID Plus vs. DX7IIFD

Post by michael stein » Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:15 pm

I have one but cannot explain the difference. The previous owner sold mine to me with the greymatter E! upgrade but, I don't think that comes factory.

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Re: DX7IID Plus vs. DX7IIFD

Post by zukskywalker » Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:05 pm

Great, just great!
Now this has got me going again and I think it's about time for a DX7IIFDplus. It would be the natural evolution of the most patch laden synth in history to also include a hard drive. I've seen hard drive mods around but not this one specifically and there are tons of drives to choose from. Dunno if the floppy can stay in but it would no longer be necessary so here comes the DX7IIFDE!plus.

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Re: DX7IID Plus vs. DX7IIFD

Post by White » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:46 am

Blimey! a DX7IIFDE!plus? now that would be nice.
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Post by crystalmsc » Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:33 am

zukskywalker wrote:DX7IIFDE!plus
you just made me dreaming of a FS1kb in DX7 Centenniel body with modern interface for this Christmas :D
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Re: DX7IID Plus vs. DX7IIFD

Post by calyx93 » Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:13 pm

Gosh we're such synth nerds - I love it! :lol:
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Re: DX7IID Plus vs. DX7IIFD

Post by bradkë » Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:05 pm

Good info guys, I love this site.

Did we ever conclude that there was in fact a DX7IIFD plus?

Forget the E!, that never came from the factory that way, to my knowledge.

My current DX7IID has the E! upgrade in it. I love, just would like a floppy drive too.
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Re: DX7IID Plus vs. DX7IIFD

Post by zukskywalker » Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:21 am

I believe that the local consensus is that there was never a DX7IIFDplus as the "plus" designation appeared only on the IID that had a factory installed floppy. The good news is that it therefore should be relatively easy for any owner of a IID to install a floppy drive.

The hard drive mod is another idea altogether and the good news is that a quick look at the forum on this site: http://torlus.com/floppy/index.php?en shows that they claim to have success in replacing floppy drives with hard drives on the Roland VA-5, Roland XP-80, Roland S-50, Roland S-330, Roland S-550, Ensoniq Mirage, Korg DSS-1, Korg DSM-1, and the Fairlight CMI.

No mention of Yamaha there...yet.
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Re: DX7IID Plus vs. DX7IIFD

Post by Murderhausen » Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:19 am

Does anyone know where I could find a Grey Matter manual? I think it's causing some strange things to happen to my IIFD. Mainly the velocity programming seems to be hijacked. The factory cartridge patches can be played with velocity, but I can't seem to get a result when programming it.
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Re: DX7IID Plus vs. DX7IIFD

Post by crystalmsc » Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:34 am

Murderhausen wrote:Does anyone know where I could find a Grey Matter manual?
From Dave Benson's DX7 page:
DX7 E! Card manual
http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~bensondj/d ... rd-man.pdf
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