Luther Vandross "Stop To Love" - what synth in intro?

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Luther Vandross "Stop To Love" - what synth in intro?

Post by Z » Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:45 pm

I heard this song the other day on Sirius/XM Groove and hadn't heard it in 20+ years. There's some sort of wavetable sounding synth in the first 6 second of the song. Just wondering what it may be. Not too may PPG's made it to our side of the pond.

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Re: Luther Vandross "Stop To Love" - what synth in intro?

Post by Rangoon » Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:35 am

It sounds too continuous (no stepping) and purely going in a downward filter slope. I wouldn't necessarily guess that it's wavetable sweeping...

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Re: Luther Vandross "Stop To Love" - what synth in intro?

Post by LWG » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:29 am

Hello,

Good ear. That is a PPG. One of the keyboardists on the album was Jason Miles.
The song (one of many of Luther's of the time) was co-written by keyboardist, composer Nat Adderley Jr.
Marcus Miller did a lot of keyboards, bass and production around this time on Luther's releases, and keyboardist
Wayne Warnecke also appears on the album.
Luther had a ton of talented people around him at that time. Marcus Miller used a Minimoog, Prophet 5, and
Jupiter 8, but I'm not clear on what everyone else used, other than Jason Miles work with the
PPG and Minimoog.
There is a remix versin of "Stop To Love" that has the keyboards mixed higher and a break, but its not posted
and I only remember having it on an old cassette.

Luther also did a cover of the 1975 Stevie Wonder track, "Creepin" here:

Luther Vandross - Creepin (1985) Marcus Miller produced this lp and I believe did the Minimoog tracks.




Another great track from the same album.
Keyboard/synth credits also include Nat Adderley Jr. and Skip Anderson. Ed Walsh is credited with programming.

Luther Vandross - The Night I Fell In Love 1985





Also, The PPG was used by many in the states, though not always by artists discussed on forums.

The Illinois-based band, Champaign used it:

Champaign - "Off and On Love" (85) The late, Michael Day and Dana Walden played keys




David Frank played one on The System lps,"This Is For You" and "X-periment":

The System - This Is For You




Robbie Buchanan, on George Benson's 86 release, "While The City Sleeps"

Adam Holzman, Jason Miles, etc...


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Re: Luther Vandross "Stop To Love" - what synth in intro?

Post by Z » Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:30 pm

Thanks for the info.

The only PPG's that I knew that made it to our side of the pond landed in the hands of David Frank, Patrick O'Hearn and Rush. I'm sure there's more, that's all that I'm familiar with.

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Re: Luther Vandross "Stop To Love" - what synth in intro?

Post by calyx93 » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:27 pm

Just to chime in on PPG synths used in North America - I've got the late Oscar Peterson's Wave 2.2 - one of the early 2.2 models - came plastered with his world tour stickers on the side panels and a data-cassette too! I'd never have pictured him using one, save for that Keyboard mag cover of him using a Synclavier.
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Re: Luther Vandross "Stop To Love" - what synth in intro?

Post by tim gueguen » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:08 am

JIm Gilmour of Saga and John Webster of Red Rider were other examples of Canadian PPG users.
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Re: Luther Vandross "Stop To Love" - what synth in intro?

Post by iProg » Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:09 pm

Geddy Lee is my favorite PPG player ever, I think. Besides Martin Gore and Billy Currie.

Grace Under Pressure is smacked with terrific PPG sounds, Power Windows as well.

I play Geddy's role in a Rush tribute band called The Hemispheres, I should know ;)

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Re: Luther Vandross "Stop To Love" - what synth in intro?

Post by LWG » Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:14 pm

Hello,

Tim Bradley also played PPG with Andre Cymone. Nice article here, and pics further down:


http://citinite.wordpress.com/2008/03/24/andre-cymone/


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Re: Luther Vandross "Stop To Love" - what synth in intro?

Post by gcoudert » Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:24 pm

Did I imagine this or did Patrick Leonard use a PPG on some Madonna tracks in the 80s?
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Re: Luther Vandross "Stop To Love" - what synth in intro?

Post by Micke » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:56 pm

A few more American PPG users...

Greg Hawkes/The Cars (Heartbeat City, 1984)
Rick Ocasek (solo album This Side Of Paradise, 1986)
Missing Persons (Rhyme & Reason, 1984)
Jamie Sheriff/Stevie Nicks (Rock A Little, 1985)
Michael Boddicker (eg on the soundtracks to Buckaroo Banzai and The Magic Egg, 1984)
Vince DiCola (Transformers soundtrack, 1986)
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Re: Luther Vandross "Stop To Love" - what synth in intro?

Post by V301H » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:55 am

Add T Lavitz to the list. I saw him demoing for PPG at a trade show in the 80's.
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Re: Luther Vandross "Stop To Love" - what synth in intro?

Post by Micke » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:03 pm

That's right T Lavitz did indeed use a PPG Wave back in the '80s, eg on Nils Lofgren's album FLIP (1985).
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Re: Luther Vandross "Stop To Love" - what synth in intro?

Post by Micke » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:25 pm

whoops, I forgot to include Casey Young. He had the first PPG Wave 2.0 in America, then he got a 2.2
and finally a 2.3 which he still has.

I also forgot to mention Mark Isham who used a borrowed Wave 2 on his solo album "Vapor Drawings" (1983).
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