Korg M3: most beautiful synth in the world?

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Re: Korg M3: most beautiful synth in the world?

Postby AnalogKid » Sun Mar 14, 2010 5:16 am

I've checked out the Korg M3 in person, and I've read many online reviews and watched numerous demonstrations via Youtube. I've also checked out Yamaha's Motif XS and the Fantom G from Roland. These modern workstations are amazing pieces of technology, but to me their overall sound is thin, stale, predictable, and boring. How many features do you really need? It's no wonder that folks are hunting down the old phat sounding analog synths. If you want to use an M3 as a music writing platform, it's a great tool, but if you don't want to have sounds like everybody else, stay away from workstations. The wonderful thing about "real" synths is the ability to create your own unique sounds. Get a synth that you can dig into and program yourself. Do something different. The M3 is perhaps okay if you get the Radias add-on and do some of your own programming. Many keyboardists rely on factory presets (or slightly modified factory presets), and they don't take the time to learn how to program. Take the time to learn synthesizer sound creating theory (something that I would like to learn more of). Get your hands on a synth that is designed to facilitate programming, such as a Prophet 08, Andromeda (good-bye sniff sniff), Voyager, etc. if you can afford one; learn how to use each and every knob and dig in. If your budget is limited (like mine), find used out of production synths that you can pick up relatively cheaply such as an Alesis Ion, or hunt down a Korg Z1. No, in my opinion the most beautiful synth in the world is not the Korg M3 workstation, it's a synth that is designed to allow you to create a sound that is something totally unique.
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Re: Korg M3: most beautiful synth in the world?

Postby Ashe37 » Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:05 am

For $300 you can add a 24-voice VA synth (the EXB-Radias) to the M3...
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Re: Korg M3: most beautiful synth in the world?

Postby I12 » Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:57 am

ker slam

Hey Ak most here know about analog synths, programming them, getting new sounds and many many have em

Its thread about the m3 that someone happens to love

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Teh light colored synth tend to get dirty after a few years and depend in the surface can be hard to clean
like eg; jp8000 (not that light but a terrible surface to clean)

The roland s50 always looked very sleek to me
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Re: Korg M3: most beautiful synth in the world?

Postby StepLogik » Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:53 pm

Ahhhh the Roland S-50. brings back memories of limited memory frustration :lol:

Also, whenever you plugged in a CRT to the video port the S-50 had a terrible ground loop problem... at least mine did :/
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Re: Korg M3: most beautiful synth in the world?

Postby aphlux » Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:03 pm

Well after testing all three, I will say I enjoy the Korg the most.
After understanding the Karma engine, it is amazing.
AND, the fact that the module itself angles upward, and you can remove it as well. The keyboard is beautiful too :3
Gonna order it online though, since the store wanted 3200 for it >.>

Wouldnt even throw in a flight case or the mounting gear for the radias rackmount.

Also, going to upgrade the memory.

And, also from reading on the karma-lab forums, apparently somebody makes custom protective covers that are see through (or you can get them customized) that are relatively cheap. Since I plan on gigging with it, I'm going to need that.
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Re: Korg M3: most beautiful synth in the world?

Postby griffin avid » Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:06 pm

I find this quite strange that this thread is here. I just picked up an M3 Xpanded today. I never knew the joystick was back-lit. Cute touch.

This thing is meant for playing. I NEVER get into demos, but I found myself playing along with the Karma engine. Does that mean I'm getting old?

I always thought the white surface looked kinda corny.
The same for the red Nords.....
The M3 looks much nicer in the studio among all the other gear.
It's actually a light Silver now that I look more closely. Maybe it's a Predator and it's blending in.

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Re: Korg M3: most beautiful synth in the world?

Postby guillermotin » Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:08 pm

Nah,

I believe the Korg M3 is a very capable and good-looking synth.

But the "Most beautiful synth in the world" has to be the Jupiter 6.

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Re: Korg M3: most beautiful synth in the world?

Postby Hugo76 » Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:13 am

Congratulations to Aphlux & Griffin Avid on a wise choice! :)
Another thing I love is the 'X-Y mode' switch that turns the screen into a Kaoss Pad - *very* cool :D
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Re: Korg M3: most beautiful synth in the world?

Postby griffin avid » Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:40 pm

It's weird. I sold off 34% of my home studio this weekend. I was collecting/hoarding a ton of gear that I was never using and probably never going to use again. It felt cool to have it, but wasn't really serving me any purpose. I had sworn off ROMplers from the Set-In-Stone-Number-Of-Sounds thing. I just realized I needed something to play and not just tinker with.

I remember really doing heavy research when the M3 first came out, but now it's like every two minutes I discover a new ability or feature that blows me away. Touchscreen created drum tracks???? I'm looking into that today.
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Re: Korg M3: most beautiful synth in the world?

Postby balma » Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:33 pm

guillermotin wrote:Nah,

I believe the Korg M3 is a very capable and good-looking synth.

But the "Most beautiful synth in the world" has to be the Jupiter 6.

;)


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Re: Korg M3: most beautiful synth in the world?

Postby Syn303 » Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:43 pm

Aha a gleeman pentaphonic clear, don't like the knobs though, they look like lightbulbs.
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Re: Korg M3: most beautiful synth in the world?

Postby griffin avid » Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:25 pm

That's interesting and nerdiriffic....but not beautiful.

The Flash graphic at the top of this page is incredible.
http://www.korg.co.uk/products/workstat ... /ws_m3.asp

I actually sat here for a minute refreshing the page and watching it
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Re: Korg M3: most beautiful synth in the world?

Postby balma » Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:55 pm

The flash banner is OK!

There are people that says Korg produces things that sound and looks like toys...

I disagree with that statement. They are the most active label nowadays, and they show products for several tastes and target several marketts.

Actually the BEST promotion for a synth, is to be performed by a skilled producer.

Korg Radias:
Watch on youtube.com


The M3 seems like a modern reincarnation of the amazing Z1. And they put some wood to atract the oldies also...

About the red synths, well, I HATED my Korg Karma. One of the most uncomfortable operative systems ever. I don't like the red synths, look like whores...
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Re: Korg M3: most beautiful synth in the world?

Postby griffin avid » Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:15 pm

There are people that say Korg produces things that sound and looks like toys...

Their top tier products are world class and usually trump the competition as far as innovative ideas are concerned.
Karma
TouchScreens
Joysticks
Backlit buttons - built like tanks etc...

For the mid range and bottom-
I think they put the Fun Factor (instant gratification, accessibility, easy learning curve) before depth. And sometimes that WoWza first impression comes at the expense of creative options further down the road.

It's where you need to be creative to get more options, not creative design gives you more options.

1) Kaossilator - with no save/storage or computer connectivity. Sounds incredible, but not a serious studio piece but it is loads of fun.

2) MicroKORG - Sounds great! But no drum sounds or sequencer (of any type). 4 voice with rigid limitations on how they are employed. Mini-keys on anything lets you know.

3) Electribes - Fixed soundbanks so you won't be using all the sounds/samples/patches as you wish. You're limited to re-arranging/mangling the demo songs..Even as a GrooveBox, that's frustrating.

4) Kaoss Pads - No MIDI out. So the best controller (one finger fun, ahem*) can't control anything else with the note-on function missing...why?

5) Korg Legacy - MIDI controller (would have made a great dongle BTW) passes no audio and for no reason at all, is smaller than the product it's modeled after. They should have just shoved all the DSP bits into the empty housing and sold it as hardware. That's what Access Music does. Why not?

You get the idea.
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Re: Korg M3: most beautiful synth in the world?

Postby balma » Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:48 pm

griffin avid wrote:3) Electribes - Fixed soundbanks so you won't be using all the sounds/samples/patches as you wish. You're limited to re-arranging/mangling the demo songs..Even as a GrooveBox, that's frustrating.


Do they have demo songs? I never tried them.

I have owned each one of them. They are between the most intuittive "drum machines" for live acts ever. I just need an Electribe on my setup, I could not imaging myself without Electribes, would make me feel naked in front of the crowd.


the Electribes are solid and easy to operate boxes. One of the most interesting features, is the hability to input and erase notes while a track is playing, without having to make them sound when you made the new note input.

An expert electribe player, could compose instantaneously a song, without having to enter edit modes or stopping the sequencer. they are very visual. In a very basic concept, you hit play, choose the kick track, and very fast, you go across measures 1,2,3 and 4, and enter the kick note, at steps 1,5,9 and 13.

when you make the input, the note does NOT sound. But it will do when the sequencer timing reach it. Go to the snare track, and input on 5 and 13 a snare, go to the hi hat track and input on 3, 7, 11 and 15 the hihat.

that's the classic sequence of kick-snare-hi hat, you can make it on less than 10 seconds, during a live playing. And you can go to the measure four, and erase them or create a bridge, and it will sound until the sequence reach that measure.

And, with a sampler you could put any sound you like there, and make a party inside it.

They have inmediacy. For some reason, they are so loved by so many, big and small producers. The small ones learn very fast the basics of programming, the "pros" love the fun factor, and they can sound very good on the right hands.



The KARMA.... don't say I didn't try it! I spent a long time using that piece of sh*t, never thought it could be so uncomfortable to use. Most frustrating workstation ever.

The Stephen Ray invention is ok, but the Karma, is a triton with a pseudosequencer forced into it. Karma's four modules and triton engine seem to not have a good relation ship. The synth becomes slow with the four modules activated, is a PAIN IN THE a*s to program them, spending long minutes browsing the 1500 arpeggiator presets, for getting a s**t, that you could input into a sequencer in less time.

It's a good machine, for an Arranger Keyboard Performer. A guy on a hotel lobby, could do some wonderful things with a Karma, I do not doubt that. But innovation factor? ZERO.

Mine, has even two expansions. the good feature, is the multirecording mode. Now that's amazing, the synth can record your karmarpeegiator performings on the 16 tracks simultaneously.

with the time, mine went to a relegated position on my setup, until I sold it....
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