Mopho keyboard shipping?

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Re: Mopho keyboard shipping?

Post by Ashe37 » Tue May 18, 2010 10:24 am

Freescale (ex- Motorola) 563xx DSP- $10 apiece (one chip is VCO/VCA/VCF for all voices, used in pretty much everything- access virus series, Korg VA's, Waldorf VAs, etc)

Analog DCO/VCF/VCA chip- $10 apiece (one per voice)

do the math :D

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Re: Mopho keyboard shipping?

Post by Barfunkel » Tue May 18, 2010 11:43 am

Didn't the guy who built an analogue polysynth here spent like 1500 on parts alone? It's helluva expensive to build analogues, especially polys.

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Re: Mopho keyboard shipping?

Post by Stab Frenzy » Wed May 19, 2010 3:42 am

Ashe37 wrote:Analog DCO/VCF/VCA chip- $10 apiece (one per voice)
Please show me where one can buy these. Fictional parts don't count.

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Re: Mopho keyboard shipping?

Post by Ashe37 » Wed May 19, 2010 4:23 am

Stab Frenzy wrote:
Ashe37 wrote:Analog DCO/VCF/VCA chip- $10 apiece (one per voice)
Please show me where one can buy these. Fictional parts don't count.
I'm sure that bulk prices for new analog chips are lower than what we pay for old ones that haven't been made for twenty plus years. Bump the price up to $30 if you like. My point is still valid- that's why we cant 'get a new real analog for the price of a VA'.

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Re: Mopho keyboard shipping?

Post by Stab Frenzy » Wed May 19, 2010 6:13 am

Very true, my point is that you can't buy them for love or money, even at 16x the price per voice.

DSI have access to Curtis chips through an exclusive deal, the Andromeda used an ASIC, everything else is discrete. Designing and doing a production run of your own ASIC would run to the hundreds of thousands of dollars, possibly more. It's not like thirty years ago when Curtis and other companies were making chips for analogue synths which you could just buy from your local parts supplier.
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Re: Mopho keyboard shipping?

Post by b3groover » Wed May 19, 2010 6:15 am

With the renewed popularity of analog synthesis, if a company could make a real analog poly for less than what DSI is doing now, they would.

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Re: Mopho keyboard shipping?

Post by Ashe37 » Wed May 19, 2010 7:16 am

I don't know how exclusive DSI's deal with Onchip Systems really is... I fail to see how walking up to them with an order for 4000 PA 316s (or whatever model number they use now) would be refused.

I've been looking at seeing if FPGAs make nice synth chips but the dev kits are so pricey...

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Re: Mopho keyboard shipping?

Post by Stab Frenzy » Wed May 19, 2010 9:41 am

Ashe37 wrote:I don't know how exclusive DSI's deal with Onchip Systems really is... I fail to see how walking up to them with an order for 4000 PA 316s (or whatever model number they use now) would be refused.
All I'm going on is what Dave has said a few times, that he had an exclusive deal with Doug Curtis to use the chips. They're made under licence, which means that the maker can't just sell them to anyone I believe.
Ashe37 wrote:I've been looking at seeing if FPGAs make nice synth chips but the dev kits are so pricey...
So has at least one of the big analogue synth makers, can't wait to see what they come up with. I think that will be the way forward if there is one.

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Re: Mopho keyboard shipping?

Post by Ashe37 » Wed May 19, 2010 10:13 am

Stab Frenzy wrote:
Ashe37 wrote:I've been looking at seeing if FPGAs make nice synth chips but the dev kits are so pricey...
So has at least one of the big analogue synth makers, can't wait to see what they come up with. I think that will be the way forward if there is one.
The interesting thing is, if it works, you should be able to for example have a CEM-type filter, and switch it over so that the FPGA runs as a moog -type ladder filter, etc...

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Re: Mopho keyboard shipping?

Post by smoothcriminal » Sat May 22, 2010 12:08 am

Question: What am I listening to at 2:20 of this video? It sounds like Delay Lama, or a formant filter, or...

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Post by RD9 » Sat May 22, 2010 12:42 am

smoothcriminal wrote:Question: What am I listening to at 2:20 of this video? It sounds like Delay Lama, or a formant filter, or...
Haha That's awesome. Dave Smith is such as badass. Nice demo. I would think the demo uses only built-in stuff. No external software processing. That could just be layering of the oscillators + filter. If I'm not mistaken, I think you can actually achieve formant-like sounds with just 'standard' filters. I've been able to make similar sounds on the Radias without using the formant waveform.

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Re: Mopho keyboard shipping?

Post by stikygum » Sat May 22, 2010 8:52 am

In the intro vid he says he thinks the Mopho keys 'runs' circles around the Pro One'... Interesting. Definitely will be a fun keyboard though.
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Re: Mopho keyboard shipping?

Post by hugsnballoons » Sat May 22, 2010 11:44 am

nice demo, i gonna get mine on monday :P

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Re: Mopho keyboard shipping?

Post by Barfunkel » Sat May 22, 2010 12:21 pm

stikygum wrote:In the intro vid he says he thinks the Mopho keys 'runs' circles around the Pro One'... Interesting. Definitely will be a fun keyboard though.
Pro One doesn't need to run anywhere... it's great where it is.

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Re: Mopho keyboard shipping?

Post by wiss » Sat May 22, 2010 1:36 pm

Barfunkel wrote:
stikygum wrote:In the intro vid he says he thinks the Mopho keys 'runs' circles around the Pro One'... Interesting. Definitely will be a fun keyboard though.
Pro One doesn't need to run anywhere... it's great where it is.
I would not let my pro-one go running, it would fall to pieces.
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