Any need for VA gear still??

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Any need for VA gear still??

Post by Synthacon » Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:23 pm

With the amount of real analogue gear out there growing by the month, and of course a mass of gear available used, is there any need for the VA to continue?

The ongoing bashing of the VA not sounding like a real analogue is never going away so why continue to buy?

Just something that had crossed my mind this last week or so.
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Re: Any need for VA gear still??

Post by mharris80 » Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:28 pm

I think it will continue to fill a need for some time to come. Look at how much all those hipsters and EMO brats love the MicroKorg. Plus, watching some of the videos Jexus has put up has really shown what these things are truly capable of. Just my view of it, anyway.

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Re: Any need for VA gear still??

Post by Polarelch » Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:22 am

Of course, there will alway be, as long as there are synth.keyboarders who want to make music without computer, and as long as there is no new truely (more than 4 voices) polyphonic analogue keyboard synth under 1000 Euros available.

VA desktops or racks though..... not as much a need for I'd say.

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Re: Any need for VA gear still??

Post by bochelli » Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:13 am

VA As i see it what more is there , been there done that what next?, what IS next? not much i think, the old machines are alive and well and how do they stand up today in a so called modern world, quite well seems the answer.
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Re: Any need for VA gear still??

Post by tyrannosaurus mark » Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:12 am

VAs work well for touring musicians who don't want computers onstage
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Re: Any need for VA gear still??

Post by Scories » Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:31 am

Polyphonic analog synths are still very expensive, so yes, they are still useful.

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Re: Any need for VA gear still??

Post by Roby31 » Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:35 am

Yes, many VAs have gone beyond the VA part itself, and even those that didn't go that far might posses some features, like extended modulation, that analog monos/polys simply don't have unless you're interested in modulars. That stuff is invaluable for achieving some kind of sounds which would require modular capabilities or extreme multitracking.
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Re: Any need for VA gear still??

Post by Alex E » Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:57 am

YES.

Can you imagine what it would take to build an all analog Alesis Ion? It would probably cost more than an Andromeda.
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Re: Any need for VA gear still??

Post by Solderman » Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:47 am

As I concluded with the sale of my JP8, some people don't care for the amount of space polysynths take up, and still being limited to 8 voices, and no effects or whatever other features they may lack.

The OP's point might be my favorite subject: "It's the sound, buddy, THAT Sound!". Why buy vintage analog if not for that? If that's all that's important, and you can live with the other limitations to integrate into a studio, or even dare to take it on the road, then perhaps the answer for you would be "No, there's no need for VA in your setup."

If you're still reading at this point, you might ask, "Why did you sell your Jupe so you could use Arturia JP-8V?". I also sampled the Jupe. :)
Just wasn't using it enough to justify the space it took up. I wanted a few things it couldn't deliver, too. And I got a crapload of gear with the money it brought in, none of which was VA.
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Re: Any need for VA gear still??

Post by Cerebral Infect » Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:02 am

Even though my motto for buying synths is analogue only for hardware synths. Assuming that VST synths will cover everyting VA related. Still Ihave a Virus Ti and a Nord Modular G2, Guess why ? For the sound of the unit. I love the filter & digital saturation of the Virus. I like the G2 graphic interface and use it as an effect processor with low latency for my bass and guitar.

And as the previous user said, you can cramp way more function in a VA than a RA. So at one moment you might need alot of features in one instrument at a more convenient price.

I hope that the next generation of VA will be instruments that will have an emphasive on the interface providing a unique experience playing with the synths (think Hartman Neuron)
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Re: Any need for VA gear still??

Post by griffin avid » Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:48 am

The ongoing bashing of the VA not sounding like a real analogue is never going away so why continue to buy?

Only purists think that way. For you to "know what you're missing" by going VA, you'd have to have owned a bunch of analogues and used them a fair amount. That said, why would that person suddenly be snapping up VAs? It's mostly anal-analogues ragging on the VA users.
I usually just make a clean split between Digital and Analogue, it's Chips verse DSP...in a way.

I would gamble, among the many VA users; some don't care about the difference, aren't overly impressed with the analogue sound to begin with or don't care to be revisiting tones from decades past. Or (heavens no!) might actually like sounds OTHER than analogue.

This would be a better argument if analogue did what digital does and more, but it doesn't.

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Re: Any need for VA gear still??

Post by Stab Frenzy » Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:56 am

Of course you need VAs, it's really hard to emulate a VA sound with a real analogue. Also, supersaws.

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Re: Any need for VA gear still??

Post by ninja6485 » Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:10 am

Solderman wrote:If you're still reading at this point, you might ask, "Why did you sell your Jupe so you could use Arturia JP-8V?". I also sampled the Jupe. :)
:lol:

can't really get the same kinds of sounds from my analogs that i can from my va's. i'd describe it as a cool glowing sort of sound as opposed to the warm buzzy sound. i've tried some software that sounds pretty nice as well, tone2 gladiator especially. if i had some extra dough, i might be swayed to pick it up, but i can't say i wouldn't get an ion first ;). if you have a bunch of va's or soft synths and you want a way to get the occasional warm lead or fat bass, i'd suggest picking up an ensoniq mirage.
This looks like a psychotropic reaction. No wonder it's so popular...

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Re: Any need for VA gear still??

Post by ninja6485 » Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:11 am

Stab Frenzy wrote:Of course you need VAs, it's really hard to emulate a VA sound with a real analogue. Also, supersaws.
somehow missed this post...
This looks like a psychotropic reaction. No wonder it's so popular...

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Re: Any need for VA gear still??

Post by Ashe37 » Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:19 am

Virus TI- 16 part multitimbral, @50 voices under normal multitimbral use

so basically, its worth about 5 analog polysynths.

Heck, my nova is 6-way multitimbral and 24 voices. I can tuck it in my backpack. I hate to think about carrying a 24-voice analog polysynth :D

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