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Re: Roland Connect - Countdown!

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:01 am
by tallowwaters
I'm glad this thread finally boiled down to the essence of modern VSE: snarky comments and tireless bitching.

Hooray!

Re: Roland Connect - Countdown!

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:27 am
by Automatic Gainsay
tallowwaters wrote:I'm glad this thread finally boiled down to the essence of modern VSE: snarky comments and tireless bitching.

Hooray!
I don't like this comment because it's just not like the mod quotes of yesteryear. Can't we get back to a warmer, fatter sort of mod comment?

Re: Roland Connect - Countdown!

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:09 am
by Max Websta


:facepalm:

It must be my loss, because I couldn't make my Jupiter 8 sound like this no matter how hard I tried!

Re: Roland Connect - Countdown!

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:46 am
by Sir Ruff
philip wrote:http://link.brightcove.com/services/pla ... 9775809001

this is bad really bad
I love the part, about 30 secs into the second vid, where the performer suggests it's always nice to have a good piano sound, and there is a resounding "whoa", from the one audience member! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Roland Connect - Countdown!

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:38 am
by griffin avid
Yes, what a terrible tragedy that the Jupiter 8 so completely failed at it's intended purpose: being a live simulator of acoustic instruments.

Make up your mind Gainsay. One minute you want to lean on The Intended Purpose of synthesizers and the next- divine the purpose from what USERS do with the piece. TR 808. Failure or success?
Depends.

So okay we've learned that the Jupiter name has been been used for an ACOUSTIC INSTRUMENT-THEMED SYNTHESIZER. So now we have accepted...
1) Roland has NOT made an UBER-ANALOGUE-SYNTH
as if there was ANY indication that they would.
2) The number Two of the big three has not surpassed a previous offering in the minds of Roland-Clan-er-ers..
hey that happens sometimes. It's the only way to make a classic right.
3) Sometimes manufactures make a product that isn't designed for you, your music or your hobby.
shocking I know.

The only question is, have they succeeded in WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO?
Does it sound like a passable/useable emulation of an acoustic instrument?
Better than previous ROMplers?
Better than previous Roland offerings?
Will it have PATCHES or sound categories that sound better (to some) than the KRONOS?
Will some prefer the sounds in their motif?

Will life go on? Will you continue to make albums and sounds and post about Vintage Synths?
Are your dreams of Roland making another JUPITER dashed by their usage of the name?
Is it possible, if analogue becomes sexy again, someone else will make a synth that surpasses whatever level you placed the Jupe on and it won't need the name to be added in to your gear list?

Oh wait, this just in.
HOLY COW!!!
Duncan just released a new product and it isn't as good as their ProYo Yo-Yo Translucent from 76'.
Duncan Sucks.
3/31/2010 - Hyper Yo-Yo!
Duncan's first model in Bandai's Hyper Yo-Yo lineup has been
released.
Story here: http://www.yo-yo.com/news.asp
http://www.yo-yo.com/news.asp

Re: Roland Connect - Countdown!

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:09 am
by Villi
Only thing you can be more sure of than people complaining on VSE is that people will complain about people complaining on VSE. Don't worry, I'm here to complain about that too.

Re: Roland Connect - Countdown!

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:14 am
by mute
One thing you can say regardless. Look towards the JP-80 to be lambasted forever. It will go down as one of the lamest "synths" in history. It's unavoidable and all the Roland haters will grow to cherish it as an easy target when they need to point to something.

Re: Roland Connect - Countdown!

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:22 am
by Hybrid88
Villi wrote:Only thing you can be more sure of than people complaining on VSE is that people will complain about people complaining on VSE...
Too true :clap:

Pretty hypocritical when you think about it. :roll:

Re: Roland Connect - Countdown!

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:25 pm
by theglyph
Automatic Gainsay wrote: I don't like this comment because it's just not like the mod quotes of yesteryear. Can't we get back to a warmer, fatter sort of mod comment?
Don't you mean Phatter mod comment?

Re: Roland Connect - Countdown!

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:35 pm
by tallowwaters
Hybrid88 wrote:
Villi wrote:Only thing you can be more sure of than people complaining on VSE is that people will complain about people complaining on VSE...
Too true :clap:

Pretty hypocritical when you think about it. :roll:
Well, my complaining has a purpose in that maybe somebody will read it, think "man, I sure am bitching about something that, truthfully, really doesn't matter because I'm not going to buy it." (doubtful, but what the h**l)

I'm not entirely sure what response other people are expecting when they b***h about something that is completely out of their hands. I mean, I could complain about Taco Bell shrimp tacos all damn day, but it's just easier to not buy them and go about eating shrimp tacos from somewhere else.

I don't know, maybe it's just me and my love of playing synths as opposed to talking about them.

Re: Roland Connect - Countdown!

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:42 pm
by Scories
VSE doesn't mean virtual synth explorers. At some point, I expect people here to not be too much excited about new technologies. Would you expect people from a vintage cars forum to be excited about the new Lexus or whatever else?

Re: Roland Connect - Countdown!

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:50 pm
by CS_TBL
Then again, define 'vintage'. VSE exists since 1996 (it says on the front page), it's now 2011. Give or take a few months, a JP8 was as old during the start of VSE as an XP80 is today. Is an XP80 also vintage? That, and since then the amount of radically new technologies is rather scarce if you ask me. It's mainly about more sample ROM or slightly new ways to play sawtooths 'n stuff when things are VA.

I get the impression that the border between being vintage and being not vintage sits the JV1080.. am I right? :P Another possible border may be at VST plugins, or predecessors like Rebirth338.

Re: Roland Connect - Countdown!

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:57 pm
by Hybrid88
tallowwaters wrote:...I don't know, maybe it's just me and my love of playing synths as opposed to talking about them.
I do understand your point but this is exactly part of the problem, some people are projecting their own ideas and misconceptions onto other people - there is this very noticeable trend round here these days to be "anti analog elitist", to the point where it almost feels bad to say you like vintage gear, because someone is going to think you have a massive collection of old synths and never play them, see what I'm getting at here? ;)

I for one would like this place to get back to more about what is good about both new and vintage synths and praise them both for their advantages and sonic characters, there used to be great threads around a few years ago but some of the more friendly and knowledgeable members have left and let me just say it is pretty noticeable reading some of the recent bitchfests...

Re: Roland Connect - Countdown!

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:45 pm
by griffin avid
On the flip side of the coin:

I think the Vintage Synth Owner is a castle under constant siege.
Ignoring the early years and acoustic instrument emulations....

We jump to the VA/digital in the Dark Ages. Almost died during those campaigns.
The ROMpler was a great adversary in the middle ages.
Next was the VST Battles...you remember the Clone Wars.
Now it's the Legacy being taken over by foreigners. Voyager...Juno....Jupiter...
Those are the spies in Stratego.
Image

The more I think about it, I don't blame the VSOs for raising the draw bridge every-time someone comes over the hill.

Re: Roland Connect - Countdown!

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:19 pm
by tallowwaters
Hybrid88 wrote:
tallowwaters wrote:...I don't know, maybe it's just me and my love of playing synths as opposed to talking about them.
I do understand your point but this is exactly part of the problem, some people are projecting their own ideas and misconceptions onto other people - there is this very noticeable trend round here these days to be "anti analog elitist", to the point where it almost feels bad to say you like vintage gear, because someone is going to think you have a massive collection of old synths and never play them, see what I'm getting at here? ;)
It doesn't matter if people collect synths, and I certainly don't mind others talking about them, but like I said, I just don't get the ceaseless griping about new synth x. It just seems to utterly banal and pointless to impotently b***h and moan about this kind of thing.