Winter NAMM 2012

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Re: Winter NAMM 2012

Post by samuraipizzacat29 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:50 pm

Isnt nearly as flexible was decidedly an overstatement. Yet $1700 for 3u worth of modules seems very salty to me.


One big thing i noticed on second look- no voltage control of the lfos on the foundation. Thats a pretty big oversight imho.

A nice rig for the road though.

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Re: Winter NAMM 2012

Post by shaft9000 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:12 am

CfNorENa wrote:
Pittsburgh is fairly well regarded in the Eurorack community, right?
h**l yes.

value-per-dollar, build, ergonomics, groovy aesthetic and vintage-y sound is their identity

in my limited experience of the range - I have a VILFO and VC-Bend module in my case(s) - and they look like 'lab'/DIY at first, but feel like luxury ...and sound and behave like old favorites. They are smooth and easy to grok, like newer Moogs in that way. Very well designed, deceptively so. And with HAL9000 red bulbs that don't look like LEDs even if thy are.
Their analog delay module owns that corner of the market atm. Timetable and Fragments are genius designs I'd love to try. Many/most of the result of the designs of Thomas O’Connor (who goes by alias 'DGTom' on Muffwiggler forums, i think)

but they are kind of odd - their stuff is not 'functional' in the west-coast sense of Buchla or Serge - or even as out there as modcan/cynthia or bugbrand. it is rooted more standard east-coast 50s/60s vibe yet adds some real curveballs like both the modules I have do ; the VILFO does funky stuff with pulses and the VC Bend is silly-putty for CV and a waveshaper for audio

highly recommended
after learning with it, then you supplement the Foundation with some doepfer, makenoise and/or intellijel and you've got a heckuva racket there. modulars go on for eternity if one desires to and is able.
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Re: Winter NAMM 2012

Post by StepLogik » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:51 am

GameChanger wrote:
StepLogik wrote:$700? Look at what that would buy on ebay - workstations vastly superior to those Casio instruments. You could buy a high-end groovebox (RM1x, MC-909, Command Station), vastly superior to the simple one on offer by Casio, for a fraction of the price. 19 seconds of sampling time at 10 bit resolution? That is a joke at that price.
Ill bet youll be able to get it cheaper then $700 & you haven't even heard it yet. How can you make all these assumptions?? Plus the Command Stations and RM1X don't have any sampling AT ALL and aren't keyboards

Im not saying this thing is going to be a beast, but no one has even heard the thing yet. Give it a break, its Casio yo
I didn't make any assumptions about the sound. Im just talking about the specs... That Casio groovestation board seems pretty much like a Yamaha DJX or something.

If Casio had put a PD engine with the HT analog filters in it I'd have been sold. But this product just seems very subpar based on specs alone. Granted, it might just sound amazing but I'd still be hard pressed to drop 700 on a rompler.

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Re: Winter NAMM 2012

Post by Gianni » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:03 am

I'm thinking of buying this just because it would look so beautiful under a Mopho.

http://www.studiologic-music.com/sledge.html

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Re: Winter NAMM 2012

Post by soundxplorer » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:03 am

samuraipizzacat29 wrote:Yet $1700 for 3u worth of modules seems very salty to me.
Yeah, all I'm saying is that it is relative.
$1,700 for 3U of modules is the far low end of the price spectrum in the modular world. :)
PAIA and MFB are cheaper compared to most anything analog.

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Re: Winter NAMM 2012

Post by bouzoukijoe1 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:05 am

samuraipizzacat29 wrote:Isnt nearly as flexible was decidedly an overstatement. Yet $1700 for 3u worth of modules seems very salty to me.

One big thing i noticed on second look- no voltage control of the lfos on the foundation. Thats a pretty big oversight imho.

A nice rig for the road though.
yeah if you want everything cv controllable and super flexible, Pittsburgh is not the right brand for you necessarily. that's not what their strength is. their strength is more in the accidental and experimental side of things. it's not an oversight. it's a brand statement.

if you're the kind of synthesist that is super anal and wants control over every little parameter, there are other better modules and brands for you, but if you're the kind who really loves wonderful surprises and serendipity and a little bit of mystery, Pittsburgh really excels at that. I will vouch 100% for the VILFO. the Timetable and Generator are great too.

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Re: Winter NAMM 2012

Post by samuraipizzacat29 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:23 am

You guys keep mentioning modules that arent in that boat. That boat is very meat and potatoes, and thats all i was saying that its a very nicee travelling rig, but a little expensive for a rather basic system.

Pburgh has some interesting modules and i thought i said that, but its not overly relevent to winter NAMM.

As an aside, i thought vilfo was just ok. Just got rid of it in favor of other more interesting diy type stuff for now.

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Re: Winter NAMM 2012

Post by ColorForm2113 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:20 am

implant wrote:I am thinking that buying the minibrute with the minitaur and the pulse 2 might be the only real way to go. ;)
my thoughts exactly! it is unbelievable the bounty that NAMM has bestowed upon us... seriously the world better not end this year lol ;)
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Re: Winter NAMM 2012

Post by Hybrid88 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:51 am

alan partridge wrote:question :

why has NAMM been not c**p this year ?
Well it's about time, wouldn't you say? Or maybe just because no one gives even a passing s**t about Roland anymore after the Jupiter-80.. :lol:

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Re: Winter NAMM 2012

Post by tekkentool » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:11 am

Phwoa! That minibrute has me more interested than just about anything else in this thread so far! That looks pretty ricky! hopefully they release a 49 key version later because I like my space 8-)

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Re: Winter NAMM 2012

Post by tekkentool » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:16 am

OH MY IT HAS A NOTCH FILTER.

<3 <3 <3

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Re: Winter NAMM 2012

Post by Stab Frenzy » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:39 am

samuraipizzacat29 wrote:That boat is very meat and potatoes, and thats all i was saying that its a very nicee travelling rig, but a little expensive for a rather basic system.
But pretty much everybody needs a basic system to start off with, and then add esoteric modules that suit what you want to do. You say that setup is expensive, but I'd like to see you put together a rig with similar functionality for less.

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Re: Winter NAMM 2012

Post by Alex E » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:15 am

Yeah, this is a good NAMM. I'm satisfied and it doesn't even start until tomorrow. :D
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Re: Winter NAMM 2012

Post by V301H » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:04 am

Casio has posted YouTube promo videos for the XW-P1 and XW-G1:





Sweetwater is pricing the XW-P1 at $499.99. MSRP is $699.00. No price on the XW-G1 yet. MSRP is $799.00:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/XWP1

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/XWG1
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Re: Winter NAMM 2012

Post by Hybrid88 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:59 am

tekkentool wrote:OH MY IT HAS A NOTCH FILTER.

<3 <3 <3
Not just any notch filter my friend, Steiner FTW - Arturia really did this right getting help from people who are really highly respected ;)

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