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Synthesizing the hand clap from "Being Boiled"

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:43 pm
by elmosexwhistle
Would love to recreate this dirty clap sound from the human league's being boiled:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0z6adZa ... re=related

(Sound comes in about 00:41)

now, there are points in the song where it is in isolation so i could just sample it, but that's not much fun! i'm gonna guess it's a noise source mixed with a VCO, with a fast filter envelope and a fast LFO doing something? anything else? any ring mod?

I'll probably be doing this on a VA so amount of VCO's or filter type aren't a problem, limitless options! i'll make do til my Mono/Poly arrives in the post :)

Re: Synthesizing the hand clap from "Being Boiled"

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:26 pm
by Syn303
AFAIK Ian Craig-Marsh made all the percussion sounds on his Roland System 100, on the early human league albums. There is a System 100 sample pack out there, but i don't think it contained the hand clap noise.


Re: Synthesizing the hand clap from "Being Boiled"

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:22 pm
by elmosexwhistle
that was very insightful :)

i think he's mainly talking about the original version of the track from around 1980. the one i'm interesting in finding out about is the one off travelogue, it's a bit faster and has that crazy clap. interesting none the less :)

Re: Synthesizing the hand clap from "Being Boiled"

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:30 pm
by Z
Sounds like a Simmons Digital Clap Trap to me.

Re: Synthesizing the hand clap from "Being Boiled"

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:53 pm
by jeeroj
Z wrote:Sounds like a Simmons Digital Clap Trap to me.
+1

immediately made me think of that and in turn that video you made of it!

Re: Synthesizing the hand clap from "Being Boiled"

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:54 pm
by Micke
The Simmons digital clap trap wasn't released until 1984 or thereabouts so it can't have been used on Being Boiled.
Anyway, on the re-recorded version (early 1980) they may possibly have used a Musicaid analog clap trap - unless
the sound in question was programmed on the system 100.

Re: Synthesizing the hand clap from "Being Boiled"

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:00 pm
by Syn303
Micke wrote:Anyway, on the re-recorded version (early 1980) they may possibly have used a Musicaid analog clap trap - unless the sound in question was programmed on the system 100.
Micke there is another video with Phil Oakey and he states that they didn't use any drum machines, all the drum sounds came from the System 100.


Re: Synthesizing the hand clap from "Being Boiled"

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:25 pm
by hinotori
when i get my system 100 back from my friend (might take some time) i will try to recreate it and upload a wav :)

Re: Synthesizing the hand clap from "Being Boiled"

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:41 pm
by polar69
Quality find on the Ware video, the 80's were an incredible musical journey, glad I was old enough to appreciate them.

Re: Synthesizing the hand clap from "Being Boiled"

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:02 pm
by Micke
Martyn Ware just confirmed to me that the hand-clap sounds as well as the drums/percussion were all done
on the system 100.

Re: Synthesizing the hand clap from "Being Boiled"

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:47 pm
by elmosexwhistle
wow, you got some contacts micke!

i'll be having a go at recreating it later :)

Re: Synthesizing the hand clap from "Being Boiled"

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:30 am
by bochelli
The faster version is that on the double pack single ?, went down devonshire lane early 80s must have been after the League moved out, not much left of the street now, there used to be a tiny record shop ultra narrow i think the group went to p***s st i think .

Re: Synthesizing the hand clap from "Being Boiled"

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:37 pm
by celebutante
Yeah, not totally sure how they did it, but it's probably not anything too crazy since the System-100 was pretty simple (as modulars go). But the same sound is all over the "Reproduction" and totally naked at the top of "Zero As A Limit". Sounds to me like white noise click going through an analog delay with a really short delay time (like around 40 ms) with the feedback cranked up. I've also found putting a graphic EQ in the chain is a huge help when synthesizing fake claps- crank around 500 Hz range and dump all the low stuff. Claps tend to have big spiked freq areas- don't be subtle about it!

Re: Synthesizing the hand clap from "Being Boiled"

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:53 pm
by iProg
Micke wrote:Martyn Ware just confirmed to me that the hand-clap sounds as well as the drums/percussion were all done
on the system 100.
Awesome! Tell him I love him!