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Hardware external arpeggiator: is there any?

Postby fh991586 » Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:24 pm

I like arpeggiators. Most of the reason why I'd get a Jupiter 4 or 8 would simply be to try on the arp endlessly... But not all synths offer that on-board effect! Looks like the golden age was from 1978 to 1983...

So my question is: is there an external module available for arpeggiator? Just to plug into modern synth (via midi?) to add the function to arp-less synths? I've heard about the Oberheim Cyclone (never saw one) but they don't seem to be reliable... If I'd prefer not to use a computer interface, is there any way for me to produce some arpeggios on a synth that doesn't have one built-in? The basics would be Up, Down, Up/Down and Random, for 2 octaves or more.
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Re: Hardware external arpeggiator: is there any?

Postby pricklyrobot » Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:38 pm

MIDIpal: http://www.mutable-instruments.net/midipal Does loads more too! ;)
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Re: Hardware external arpeggiator: is there any?

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Re: Hardware external arpeggiator: is there any?

Postby Z » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:20 pm

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I like to use the Roland Fantom X6's built-in arpeggiator to trigger other instruments, including vintage analog monosynths via MIDI to CV/Gate converter. Here's a video I made a couple of years ago using the X6 to trigger my Tom Oberheim Patch Panel SEM (recently upgraded to SEM-PRO):
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Re: Hardware external arpeggiator: is there any?

Postby fh991586 » Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:42 pm

Thanks for the different options! Did any of you ever try one of these?

Do you know of any other synths that the onboard arp can trigger other synths? It might be too big and costly for me (my setup is already oversized), but I'll keep that in mind if any of them ever show up around here...

I have nothing labeled Apple, so the iPod thing is as relevant as a software for me.
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Re: Hardware external arpeggiator: is there any?

Postby fh991586 » Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:46 pm

I don't know why the similar topics down this page now refers me to another thread on the subject. I tried the forum search, but it didn't show up earlier before I got tired of getting the non-related threads... Sorry for this.
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Re: Hardware external arpeggiator: is there any?

Postby bhrama » Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:53 pm

pricklyrobot wrote:MIDIpal: http://www.mutable-instruments.net/midipal Does loads more too! ;)



This looks interesting for sure!
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Re: Hardware external arpeggiator: is there any?

Postby madtheory » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:34 pm

The Oberheim Cyclone has two problems- you need the 1.1 OS, and you need to put a diode in the PSU path to avoid blowing the whole thing with reversed polarity. Or don't ever disconnect the PSU. Apart from that it's rock solid and does a lot more than any other device apart from the Zyklus.
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Re: Hardware external arpeggiator: is there any?

Postby phesago » Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:19 pm

Z wrote:I like to use the Roland Fantom X6's built-in arpeggiator to trigger other instruments, including vintage analog monosynths via MIDI to CV/Gate converter.


Same, but with a Triton. Not too shabby I might add
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Re: Hardware external arpeggiator: is there any?

Postby Zamise » Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:52 pm

Alesis Micron has a great programable arp, sends out midi and recieves to it.
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Re: Hardware external arpeggiator: is there any?

Postby balma » Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:07 am

E-mu Command Station or Proteus 2500 module (but it would be a shame to use them only for arps) can transmit a max of 32 arpeggios at the same time, using 2 MIDI outputs.

It has classic arps (up, down, alternate, etc) plus 100 user programmable arppegio patterns (32 notes, with note length, velo, pitch, repetition, rest, tie, legato, etc, loop, hold, etc etc) and 200-300 factory patterns (can be expanded adding more ROMs). They can be looped whole or over specific segments, and some parameters can be assigned to programmable knobs.

Each arpeggio can be assigned to the 32 MIDI A and B channels, and a global master arpeggiator can also be layered to all the channels at the same time.

There is a second even more complex arppegiator (BEATS section) wich can transmit pre-made complex sequences like arppegiators, using multiple MIDI channels. Notes can be modified, but they can be turned on and off individually on the super beats arps. Each ROM has around 200-300 different beat patterns.

In fact they have the best onboard arppegiator I have used on a synth.

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Re: Hardware external arpeggiator: is there any?

Postby ninja6485 » Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:32 am

balma wrote:In fact they have the best onboard arppegiator I have used on a synth
:o If it's better than the Fizmo's arppegiator, that's a damn good arpegiator...
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Re: Hardware external arpeggiator: is there any?

Postby balma » Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:47 am

WTF you have a Fizmo! je je


I had a Karma, wich has a reputation of having a super arpeggiator. But it sucks when you compare it with the E-mu´s arpeggio concept.

But that´s according to my parameters. I take in consideration, how easy are they to be manipulated on different ways, how flexible can they be when operating them on real time, or when programming note by note and storing them, how easy can you access the arp directory. CAn they be tweaked with controllers? can you go to a specific note and modify pitch, note value, velo, gate time etc? How fast can you browse and assign an arpeggio to a sequence or a MIDI channel? make them shorter or longer?

On the EMu, you can choose a master arpeggio, or a specific arpeggio for each one of the sequencer channels. A single pattern, can perform and transmit 32 arpeggios at the same time. With specific controllers for each one of them depending of the patch you are using. And layer, the BEATS sequences, wich are also arpeggios. And they can be sync to MIDI clock, and being transmitted to external devices.

The 100 user arpeggiators are stored on the GLOBAL menu. YOu create one, you don´t even need to save it before turning off the synth, they remain stored on a location appart from the preset menu, as if they were part of the factory presets.

I also love the V-synths arpeggio, you can program sequences for each one of the presets (512). Arpeggios are stored together with the patch associated to it. And they can sequence not only notes, but chords and parameters.
And layer a motion sequence over them. The problem is programming the notes for them, is a pain in the a*s, since you must use cursor diving over a huge matrix.

The arppeggio of the FIZMO is awesome, but the f**k OS of the Fizmo (along with its tiny screen) brings a lot of limitations and inconveniences when programming them. Pluse there are only 64 slots for arps/presets
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Re: Hardware external arpeggiator: is there any?

Postby Hugo76 » Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:55 pm

@ balma:
What you say about the E-mu arpeggiator is really interesting, and makes me seriouslyconsider getting one. I also have a V-Synth, which has a great arp, and an M3, which supposedly has an insane arp in the form of the Karma technology. Problem is you can't program your own patterns on the machine itself, you have to get the software. Which I did, but is it not exactly intuitive, to put it mildly. I'd rather have an programmable arp n the M3, than the Karma tech.
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Re: Hardware external arpeggiator: is there any?

Postby zoomtheline » Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:10 pm

Waldorf Gecko, you'd be hard pushed to find one though.
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