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Cyclone TT-303

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:33 pm
by Arddhu
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Image

Thoughts?

Seems odd to go to so much effort to recreate the look but whack a 24db filter in there.

Re: Cyclone TT-303

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:50 pm
by JJQ
And no din-sync...

Re: Cyclone TT-303

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:01 pm
by Hybrid88
Oh ok, does it come with a time machine to allow one to go back to when acid was new? (jk) :D

Re: Cyclone TT-303

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:28 pm
by Ned Bouhalassa
Groundhog Day?

Re: Cyclone TT-303

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:25 pm
by Altitude
Technology Transplant's back! Cant wait for the Roland smack down

Re: Cyclone TT-303

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:31 pm
by meatballfulton
TT's in China, they'll adapt ;)

OMG, each one has different presets so you can use presets but still sound original :dancer:

Re: Cyclone TT-303

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:33 pm
by Sir Ruff
Arddhu wrote:Seems odd to go to so much effort to recreate the look but whack a 24db filter in there.
yeah, really not sure what that's about.. I listened to one of the vids through my iTouch speakers, and even there I could hear a distinct difference :|

Why not just re-do the xoxbox hardware into that form factor?

Re: Cyclone TT-303

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:57 pm
by Altitude
Sir Ruff wrote: Why not just re-do the xoxbox hardware into that form factor?
Already been done, hopefully the case will be available at some point so that can get fleshed out more

Kind of curious about the sequencer. Reminds me of the simplified one on rebirth

Re: Cyclone TT-303

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:35 pm
by space6oy
ComputerControlled wrote:These new TT303s that everyone is geeking about... they're nothing but Technology Transplant x0xb0xes in a new wrapper. His x0xb0xes are total s**t. s**t quality. I spent hours online with a friend trying to debug a PCB error on one i was building for a friend, only to have it die on him a few months later. Avoid!!!

Re: Cyclone TT-303

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:09 am
by tekkentool
Why would anybody buy one of these over a x0xb0x when the filter is even f**k wrong.

Do people actually at all care about the form over the functionality when it comes to a synth that came as ugly as the 303 anyway?

Re: Cyclone TT-303

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:21 am
by phesago
tekkentool wrote:Why would anybody buy one of these over a x0xb0x when the filter is even f**k wrong.

Do people actually at all care about the form over the functionality when it comes to a synth that came as ugly as the 303 anyway?
The voice of reason... =D>

Re: Cyclone TT-303

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:42 pm
by krushing
space6oy wrote:
ComputerControlled wrote:These new TT303s that everyone is geeking about... they're nothing but Technology Transplant x0xb0xes in a new wrapper. His x0xb0xes are total s**t. s**t quality. I spent hours online with a friend trying to debug a PCB error on one i was building for a friend, only to have it die on him a few months later. Avoid!!!
Hmm, someone over at gearslutz just said the opposite - that these are not x0xb0xes, nor built by TT but "designed by a 3rd party in the US". Dunno then. Anyway, happy with my Acidlab Bassline and I certainly don't understand copying the looks like that (or of course I understand *why*, just don't see the point when you could do it better).

Re: Cyclone TT-303

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:21 pm
by Synthacon
Just a point on the filter and 24db.... To quote my synth tech, who has designed a few synths and repaired many....

The filter is a -24dB/octave filter built from a diode ladder. It can be thought of as four -6dB/octave stages connected one after another. However, the cascading action isn’t text-book perfect. Unlike the transistor ladder-filter, each successive stage of the diode ladder loads the previous one, producing a rounding-off of the initial filter slope. So the filter tends to a -24dB/octave roll-off but takes longer to get there than other designs. This gives the impression of a brighter-sounding filter than typical four-stage filters. Indeed, close to the cutoff frequency, it does shows a similar roll off to a three-stage, -18dB/octave filter.

Just thought it may interest you.

Re: Cyclone TT-303

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:02 pm
by Arddhu
Synthacon wrote: The filter is a -24dB/octave filter built from a diode ladder. It can be thought of as four -6dB/octave stages connected one after another. However, the cascading action isn’t text-book perfect. Unlike the transistor ladder-filter, each successive stage of the diode ladder loads the previous one, producing a rounding-off of the initial filter slope. So the filter tends to a -24dB/octave roll-off but takes longer to get there than other designs. This gives the impression of a brighter-sounding filter than typical four-stage filters. Indeed, close to the cutoff frequency, it does shows a similar roll off to a three-stage, -18dB/octave filter.
Thanks for that.

I thought I remembered reading something along those lines a while back. Makes a bit more sense now.

Re: Cyclone TT-303

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:38 pm
by Syn303
Synthacon wrote:Just a point on the filter and 24db.... To quote my synth tech, who has designed a few synths and repaired many....

The filter is a -24dB/octave filter built from a diode ladder. It can be thought of as four -6dB/octave stages connected one after another. However, the cascading action isn’t text-book perfect. Unlike the transistor ladder-filter, each successive stage of the diode ladder loads the previous one, producing a rounding-off of the initial filter slope. So the filter tends to a -24dB/octave roll-off but takes longer to get there than other designs. This gives the impression of a brighter-sounding filter than typical four-stage filters. Indeed, close to the cutoff frequency, it does shows a similar roll off to a three-stage, -18dB/octave filter.

Just thought it may interest you.
Also adding how the power supply affects the 303's sound. The 303 has an inductor based DC/DC converter that affects the behaviour on accents and high resonance settings, this makes it smoother, more liquid sounding, compressed and more dynamic on the 303.