What ever happened to Geddy Lee's giant Oberheim/Moog Synth?

Discussions about anything analog, digital, MIDI, synth technology, techniques, theories and more.
AnalogKid
Junior Member
Junior Member
Posts: 235
Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:20 am

Re: What ever happened to Geddy Lee's giant Oberheim/Moog Sy

Post by AnalogKid » Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:09 am

OB-XaMinimoog wrote:
xanadu97 wrote:
Nah man, samplers and MIDI.
Nah man, backing tracks.

User avatar
OB-XaMinimoog
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 64
Joined: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:57 am

Re: What ever happened to Geddy Lee's giant Oberheim/Moog Sy

Post by OB-XaMinimoog » Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:21 am

AnalogKid wrote:
OB-XaMinimoog wrote:
xanadu97 wrote:
Nah man, samplers and MIDI.
Nah man, backing tracks.
Actually you're kind of right. To rephrase what I said earlier, they do use backing tracks, which are Samples that Geddy triggers using his Pedals which are MIDI'd into the Samplers.

I think thats what he does on songs like Force Ten, or at least it looked like he was when I say them back in September. I'm thinking its because I saw he said in an interview that once they returned to the kind of guitar-bass-drums sound in the 90s he wanted to spend the least amount of time playing keyboards and focus more on playing his Bass.

User avatar
ppg_wavecomputer
Expert Member
Expert Member
Posts: 1009
Joined: Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:37 pm
Gear: more keys than hands (and feet)
Band: ['ramp]
Location: teutoburg forest, eastern westphalia, germany
Contact:

Re: What ever happened to Geddy Lee's giant Oberheim/Moog Sy

Post by ppg_wavecomputer » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:01 am

tim gueguen wrote:As far as Emerson's Moog Modular goes he pretty much ignored it for close to a decade. It reportedly spent at least one winter in its road case outside Moog's Buffalo headquarters. In any case when keyboard tech Will Alexander got his hands on it circa 1990 it needed a lot of work, including replacement of corroded jacks and power connectors.
What I said. His interest in this instrument was only rekindled when Emo learned it might be worth a certain amount of money to a certain group of people, and hey, it brought him back into the limelight of being a *vintage* synthesiser hero... prior to that, the Moog might as well have been discarded as junk.

Stephen
"Like the light from distant stars, Stephen Parsick's music has existed for some time, but is only now reaching us on Earth." Chuck van Zyl

https://doombientmusic.bandcamp.com/

https://ramp1.bandcamp.com/

https://stephenparsick.bandcamp.com/

AnalogKid
Junior Member
Junior Member
Posts: 235
Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:20 am

Re: What ever happened to Geddy Lee's giant Oberheim/Moog Sy

Post by AnalogKid » Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:41 pm

OB-XaMinimoog wrote: Actually you're kind of right. To rephrase what I said earlier, they do use backing tracks, which are Samples that Geddy triggers using his Pedals which are MIDI'd into the Samplers.
Not kind of right. Pre-recorded backing tracks are used, and they play along with them. Synth parts, some vocals, and some guitar parts are recorded ahead of time and played back during live shows.

User avatar
calaverasgrande
Expert Member
Expert Member
Posts: 1038
Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:29 pm
Gear: MG1, MP201, MF101, MF102, Taurus 3, SH09, KPR-77, Streichfett, Dark Energy, X0Xb0x, Dronelab, Synsonics Drums, Machinedrum, Modular.
Band: N.S.V.
Location: New York
Contact:

Re: What ever happened to Geddy Lee's giant Oberheim/Moog Sy

Post by calaverasgrande » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:50 pm

Bitexion wrote:I honestly don't think these people care about what synthesizers Geddy uses on stage.
This is from the period where he used several XV-5080s and MIDI trigger pedals and a MIDI keyboard.
Do you think someone went "oh lol he's not using an oberheim 8-voice what f**k s**t!!!" in that crowd?



If it sounds the same and/or great, noone really cares but us nerds sitting here :)

Actually, the tumble dryers are there because Geddy didn't wanna use regular bass amps, he'd jack into the in-house speaker system to get a better sound out, so they'd replace the bass amp wall with random items instead.
Have you ever met a real Rush fan?
I used to hang out with this group of folks in the late 80's that were obsessed with Rush. They would argue over how a certain sound on a certain drum solo was acheived. Or when he starred playing Wal basses. Most of them werent even musicians.
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with all thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave

xanadu97
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 82
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:00 am
Gear: DIY Modular
Monotron

Re: What ever happened to Geddy Lee's giant Oberheim/Moog Sy

Post by xanadu97 » Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:33 am

OB-XaMinimoog wrote:
xanadu97 wrote:I wish he still used it. The Little Phatty sounds great too, but it's not a Minimoog or Oberheim. I'd also like to see him recreate the 2112 synth intro live, even just once, instead of sampling it.
Me, too!! Except I heard that was done with an ARP Odyssey, and is several layers of different sounds, so I'm guessing it would be really difficult to recreate from scratch. So its probably much easier just to sample it, which is what they've done even in the early days.
I heard that it was an ARP 2600, but it doesn't really matter. It's just 2 or 3 self oscillating filters with a ton of delay and reverb. All he'd have to do is turn the cutoff knob of one of the filters for the main sound and the rest can be done with LFOs.
Last edited by xanadu97 on Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:36 am, edited 1 time in total.

xanadu97
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 82
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:00 am
Gear: DIY Modular
Monotron

Re: What ever happened to Geddy Lee's giant Oberheim/Moog Sy

Post by xanadu97 » Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:35 am

calaverasgrande wrote:I used to hang out with this group of folks in the late 80's that were obsessed with Rush. They would argue over how a certain sound on a certain drum solo was acheived. Or when he starred playing Wal basses. Most of them werent even musicians.
:lol:

User avatar
Micke
Synth Explorer
Synth Explorer
Posts: 2329
Joined: Sat Sep 18, 2004 12:50 pm
Location: Sweden

Re: What ever happened to Geddy Lee's giant Oberheim/Moog Sy

Post by Micke » Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:30 pm

xanadu97 wrote:
OB-XaMinimoog wrote:
xanadu97 wrote:I wish he still used it. The Little Phatty sounds great too, but it's not a Minimoog or Oberheim. I'd also like to see him recreate the 2112 synth intro live, even just once, instead of sampling it.
Me, too!! Except I heard that was done with an ARP Odyssey, and is several layers of different sounds, so I'm guessing it would be really difficult to recreate from scratch. So its probably much easier just to sample it, which is what they've done even in the early days.
I heard that it was an ARP 2600, but it doesn't really matter. It's just 2 or 3 self oscillating filters with a ton of delay and reverb. All he'd have to do is turn the cutoff knob of one of the filters for the main sound and the rest can be done with LFOs.
The intro to "2112" was created with an ARP Odyssey, a multi-track tape recorder and an Echoplex tape delay.

Hugh Syme: "I was in their studio in Toronto - my first ever visit to their legendarily private inner sanctum - and one thing led to another," says Syme. "Geddy and I were huddled on the floor with my Arp Odyssey synth, operating envelope filters and playing notes to produce the soundscape that opened the overture of 2112. I then went down the hall for a few hours, and developed my Mellotron string and horn parts for Geddy's song, Tears. It's still a-very fond memory."

http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profil ... id=profile
"The (Yamaha) CS-80 is a step ahead in keyboard control, and a generation behind in digital control" -- Dan Wyman, Jan 1979

User avatar
Bitexion
Synth Explorer
Synth Explorer
Posts: 4230
Joined: Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:43 pm
Gear: Alesis Andromeda A6
Roland D-50
Creamware Minimax
Yamaha DX7s
Analogue Systems modular
Ensoniq SQ-80
Waldorf Blofeld
Location: Drammen, Norway

Re: What ever happened to Geddy Lee's giant Oberheim/Moog Sy

Post by Bitexion » Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:02 pm

Why do you want him to "recreate" it live anyway? It will sound just the same as the sample he made from his own studio. It's not like he'd do a live synth clinic on a concert and explain and talk about the patch before playing it. It will just be there and be gone again as part of the song, no matter how it's performed.

User avatar
ronP
Active Member
Active Member
Posts: 408
Joined: Fri May 19, 2006 7:20 pm
Gear: BEHRINGER Xenyx 802; CASIO MT-70; KORG EA-1 mkII, MicroKorg, microSTATION, MicroX, Mini-KP, Monotron; ROLAND Micro Cube; ZOOM FS01, MRS-4B, MRT-3B
Band: Keyfish
Location: New York, NY, USA
Contact:

Re: What ever happened to Geddy Lee's giant Oberheim/Moog Sy

Post by ronP » Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:51 pm

.


Geddy Lee worked hard to play every synth part live back in the GUP and PW days. Arpeggiated basslines and simple melodic sequences were his only cheats. However, on the current CA tour, he triggers a note on the ROLAND Fantom to perform the resonate chords on "Camera Eye" and so forth. Only the lead lines on "Tom Sawyer" and "Subdivisions" are played fully by hand.

I am surprised he has not taken an active interest in the analog keysynth rennaisance. Songs like "Xanadu" and "Tom Sawyer" stand out because of the iconic lead synth lines . . .
BEHRINGER Xenyx 802; CASIO Casiotone MT-70; KORG Electribe EA-1mkII, microKORG, mini-KP; QUIKLOK T20 T-REX Series X;
ROLAND Micro-CUBE; YAMAHA PSS130, PSS140; ZOOM FS-01, MRS-4B, MRT-3B

Wanted: BOSS DR-110; CASIO CZ-101; YAMAHA CS-01, DX-100

User avatar
Cumulus
Supporting Member!
Supporting Member!
Posts: 1834
Joined: Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:48 pm
Band: Cumulus

Re: What ever happened to Geddy Lee's giant Oberheim/Moog Sy

Post by Cumulus » Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:42 pm

Nope, full-on backing tracks - karaoke style.

I have several friends who are Rush fanatics. They have each seen the band in excess of 2 dozens times.

They've been complaining about the backing tracks for at least a couple of years now. Not sure when it started.

xanadu97
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 82
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:00 am
Gear: DIY Modular
Monotron

Re: What ever happened to Geddy Lee's giant Oberheim/Moog Sy

Post by xanadu97 » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:33 pm

Bitexion wrote:Why do you want him to "recreate" it live anyway?
Because it would be cool.


User avatar
OB-XaMinimoog
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 64
Joined: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:57 am

Re: What ever happened to Geddy Lee's giant Oberheim/Moog Sy

Post by OB-XaMinimoog » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:13 pm

Cumulus wrote:Nope, full-on backing tracks - karaoke style.

I have several friends who are Rush fanatics. They have each seen the band in excess of 2 dozens times.

They've been complaining about the backing tracks for at least a couple of years now. Not sure when it started.
Is it just for synth parts or ?

I know when I saw them back in September he only ever played his keyboard for Subdivisions and solo on Tom Sawyer. I think there was also a backing track to the Bass on Headlong Flight, which I think was used to make it sound bigger.

themilford
Senior Member
Senior Member
Posts: 819
Joined: Sun Jan 10, 2010 1:19 am
Real name: David
Gear: Oberheim SYSTEM: OB8, DSX, DMX, DXa, Moog Taurus 3, Fender Bass IV LH (CS), Rickenbacker 620/6 (LH), Crumar Trilogy needing major repair.
Band: Season Finale
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Contact:

Re: What ever happened to Geddy Lee's giant Oberheim/Moog Sy

Post by themilford » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:13 pm

As a Rush fan since 1981... and first and foremost a bass player before a synthesizer enthusiast I find the current state of live (and recorded) Rush to be a bit of a bummer. Even while I like the new record fine, it is still rife with pointless sampled effects and bogged down in layer upon layer of guitars and excess.

Yet somehow Geddy is cavalier about his departure from keyboards and electronic instrumentation in general. He acts as if it was a historical misstep and should be recreated with the bare minimum of effort and artistry as apposed to what he sees as the core of the Band: guitar, bass, drums...

Well, It's like, dude, just because you "just wanna play your bass" doesn't mean you can just blow off years of passion and innovation put into electronic music. Even in the later 80s and early 90s when there were "triggered events" written into their music (like DX7 horn blasts and sampled string sections)... often just triggered to "play" live, it still had that live compositional feel... and it was ernest and honest like Rush music itself.

I think this very rabbit hole of innovation is what eventually gave them the idea to bring them to the current state of musical "cheating" we see in their live show now.

Even at the height of Geddy's technological journey into sequencers, samplers and midi in the 80s one was still able to single out each and every unique layer, phrase or instrument. A song could have many chordal layers and sweeping arpeggios of digital and analog synthesizer lines alike... but each one seem well-placed and deliberate, adding depth and complexity to the composition. Now it's just layers and layers of guitars and bass with the occasional sweep or blip in the background for novelty.

I've gotten over the fact that Geddy's attitude about synthesizers and electronic is very different than mine. To him it's old news... quaint. Ancillary.

It's a shame because now is the best time in musical technology to pursue the kind of synthesizer and electro-rock stylings that Rush made so famous. I mean, to hear Geddy actually program and compose with a new DSI poly or some of these new things coming out now... I'll take that over a few more layers of guitar or awful doubled vocals.

Post Reply