New analog boxes from Korg?

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Re: New analog boxes from Korg?

Post by Jabberwalky » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:16 pm

That snare is so weak.

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Re: New analog boxes from Korg?

Post by shaft9000 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:11 pm

the whole thing sounds pretty weak, actually - except for the kick
some of that is the rather tepid recording and programming, too

i'm hoping that the hacks, stutter and PCM tuning+motion-record will make it useful for anything beyond goof-a-long jams
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Re: New analog boxes from Korg?

Post by Re-Member » Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:43 pm

The Beats unit might sound a little weak, but keep in mind that is without effects or EQ adjustments. I have the Monotribe and recently repurchased a TR-606, both of which don't have individual outputs and sound kind of weak as is, but using the right effects and EQ really goes a long way. I can even make them sound like they are in stereo with the right touch of reverb.

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Re: New analog boxes from Korg?

Post by masstronaut » Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:24 pm

"Weak" is just a different quality of sound, sometimes appropriate - not every snare has to be a monster smack round the face. I like the sound of this from what I've heard. The kick sounds pretty good, the hats are really nice and I reckon the snare is probably quite tweakable, even without EQ. But it will be what it is ;-) Which means - most things are useful.

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Re: New analog boxes from Korg?

Post by Re-Member » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:07 pm

Plus thanks to MIDI IN, you could sequence out a full drum track on a DAW, then just isolate the sounds you want to have triggered onto a separate track for individual mixing. There's several options to turn these it into great sounding drums on a recording. Just about every limitation they have seems to have a work around and I'm really excited to explore what can be done with them.

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Re: New analog boxes from Korg?

Post by jcn7 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:34 pm

I'm planning on getting 4 Volca Keys and add to that my Mutable Instruments Midipal, and make a "4 Voice" system. I kind of look at the Volca keys much like an Oberhiem "voice" card in an OBXa...each Volca Key will act independent or all together through the Midipal and a Knobby Midi keyboard...very cool stuff!

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Re: New analog boxes from Korg?

Post by Sir Nose » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:22 pm

Funkadelic wrote: nothing is good unless you play with it
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Re: New analog boxes from Korg?

Post by sourwookie » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:51 pm

After stunning us at Winter NAMM and Musicmesse, it looks as if Korg's big reveal for Summer NAMM is a ukulele tuner. I know it's way too early but part of me was hoping to wake up to a VolcaPoly press release. I feel in my bones that it will eventually happen, though. /blind optimism

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Re: New analog boxes from Korg?

Post by JayEm » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:24 am

sourwookie wrote:After stunning us at Winter NAMM and Musicmesse, it looks as if Korg's big reveal for Summer NAMM is a ukulele tuner. I know it's way too early but part of me was hoping to wake up to a VolcaPoly press release. I feel in my bones that it will eventually happen, though. /blind optimism
I don't understand why people keep saying they'd like a poly Volca... There is. Its the Keys.
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Re: New analog boxes from Korg?

Post by sourwookie » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:34 pm

JayEm wrote:I don't understand why people keep saying they'd like a poly Volca... There is. Its the Keys.
I think what we are really asking for is a performance Volca. Double up on the oscillators--giving us up to six notes, and ditch the membrane for an actual keybed with pitch and mod controllers. What makes this particular speculation exciting is that Korg has shown us that perhaps there is a development path to a true analag poly in the 500-800 dollar range.

I know that I could just MIDI a control keyboard into one (does anyone know if it accepts pitchbend and mod data via MIDI?), but the polyphony is very limited as is and we all see the potential of the Volca platform for expansion now.

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Re: New analog boxes from Korg?

Post by shaft9000 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:30 pm

sourwookie wrote:What makes this particular speculation exciting is that Korg has shown us that perhaps there is a development path to a true analag poly in the 500-800 dollar range.
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much as i'd like it to be possible...i doubt it heavily

they just put out the ms-20 which is:
a) already existing design, so minimal R&D expenditure.
b) only one comparatively limited (no sync or xmod) voice
c) 'mini'-fied

a new Polysix w/ MIDI is the obvious target that most find acceptable
i'd be very surprised if they could do anything with more than 49 keys and a decent interface for less than 1500 USD list.... else it's poly-800-land all over again.
if we get anything it will likely be somewhere in-between, in the 800-1000USD range, lightweight but good sounding with just an OK build - like most of everything they do these days.

a 6-8 voice 'Korg Kraken' w/ individual CV/gate in for each voice would be my preference, but they won't do something so weird just to please me and another 500 or so enthusiasts
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Re: New analog boxes from Korg?

Post by sourwookie » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:50 am

I see that this could happen:

As far as R&D goes, the Volca Keys are real, do exist, and are out there already so I don't see any major additional investment there. Now, they sell to a Korg Dealer for $97 dollars wholesale. Most manufactures like to make a 33 to 50 percent markup on an item moved to wholesale. that means their cost per unit is around $65 to $75 bucks a unit. Let's be pessimistic and say $75. Now the keyboard I envision would have the workings of 2 Volka Keys. They could save expense by eliminating redundant I/O's and the membrane keyboards, but we'll leave that alone. So that puts us up to $150 in production costs for the guts of two Volcas. As far as additional hardware like a keybed and pitch wheel go, let's look to existing products like the Alesis Q61. It too sells for $149, and if we apply Korg's pricing structure to that we may be able to assume a production cost of $75 there also. That puts us up to $225. Let's just tack on a few buck more for additional features like keyboard scaling on the VCF or a pitch EG (don't forget--we now have two LFOs at our disposal). Let's then go to $250

Breakdown:
Volca 1: $75
Volca 2: $75
Keybed: $75
"goodies": $25
Production Subtotal: $250

Cost to dealers (net price=$250 X 1.5)= $375

In Music retail List price is usually twice net, so:
$375 X 2 = $750 List

And "street price" is commonly list less 30%, so:
$750 X .7 = $525

$750 list, $525 street price. Not bad for a basic, stripped down, six voice analog. But I'd like to order the deluxe model with integrated Beats (List $950. Street price $665) ;)


(i know for a fact that korg's production costs are actually lower than that on the volcas but I wished to overestimate for this gedankenexperiment)
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Re: New analog boxes from Korg?

Post by sourwookie » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:57 am

"if we get anything it will likely be somewhere in-between, in the 800-1000USD range, lightweight but good sounding with just an OK build - like most of everything they do these days. "

aaaaaaaand I see this sentence after I do all that cipherin'. :( Looks as if we're already in agreement.

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Re: New analog boxes from Korg?

Post by Kidney05 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:33 pm

Damn. News just broke these are pushed back in some capacity, at least it seems for musicians friend.

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Re: New analog boxes from Korg?

Post by burnsjed » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:41 pm

My order has just been pushed back to 10/04/2013 !
I spoke to them on the phone yesterday, as they cancel your preorder otherwise after a certain amount of time, and no mention of that!

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