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a big difference in the virus ti and virus ti2 plugins?

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:11 pm
by chimney chop
i'm new to the VST world and am i'm interested in buying either a ti or ti2 desktop.

the ti goes for noticeably less but was wondering if there's a significant difference between the two in either compatibility and/or performance in a VST platform.

i know there's 25% more dsp power with the ti2 but i wouldn't be running more than 1 or 2 instances at a time.

is there a big difference and if so, in what way?


any insights appreciated.

thanks!


ps: my hosts are FL Studio and Cubase 7

Re: a big difference in the virus ti and virus ti2 plugins?

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:34 pm
by Alex E
Personally, I'd hang onto your C since you already have it. When I finally tried the TI desktop, I was blown away by the sound, but pretty frustrated with the so called "Total Integration" which never worked the way I wanted it to.

If you're looking for a good virus-y VST I'd give Sylenth1 a try. It's not a replacement for the Virus, but IMHO it has similar strengths and weaknesses.

Re: a big difference in the virus ti and virus ti2 plugins?

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:18 am
by chimney chop
cool, I'll try the Sylenth
yeah, I'm planning on keeping the virus c.
how successful/unsuccessful did you find the audio through midi to be?

Re: a big difference in the virus ti and virus ti2 plugins?

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:50 am
by tekkentool
Do you really need the virus? I think they're kind of useless as a studio tool now that processing speeds are so cheap. I run 20 instances of massive, 50+ channels and I don't flex over 30% CPU usage these days.

Look at sylenth1, Massive, ACE, DIVA and waldorf largo. If you can't find what you wanted the virus for in there I'd be surprised. If you're only interested in the TI for a studio tool I don't think I'd bother.

For live stuff I'd 100% understand though.

Re: a big difference in the virus ti and virus ti2 plugins?

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:28 am
by chimney chop
yeah, I'll be using it live but would of course like to use it as a studio tool as well.

finding using soft synths uninspiring thus far.

it's not that the sounds that are found wanting but the lack of a hands on tactile experience which is why the TI and TI2 are so attractive.

is the 'total integration' better executed in the TI2 or is it the same as the TI?

Re: a big difference in the virus ti and virus ti2 plugins?

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:15 am
by vladimotor
Sorry, can't help you with software integration question. But I'd like to make two points:
1. Ti and Ti2 do sound noticeably better to me then C.
2. I do like some of the soft synths people recommended above, but Zebra comes to my mind certainly ahead of Sylenth(which is also nice).

Re: a big difference in the virus ti and virus ti2 plugins?

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:49 pm
by boreg
chimney chop wrote:is the 'total integration' better executed in the TI2 or is it the same as the TI?
It's exactly the same.

Re: a big difference in the virus ti and virus ti2 plugins?

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:57 pm
by aredj
Once and awhile, for certain projects, I use my TI desktop in Ableton in full TI mode. No issues. winxp.

There are no differences in this regard with anything else in the Ti family.

Oh, and, there is only 1 instance. 16 parts, but only one synth.

Re: a big difference in the virus ti and virus ti2 plugins?

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:43 pm
by meatballfulton
chimney chop wrote:i know there's 25% more dsp power with the ti2 but i wouldn't be running more than 1 or 2 instances at a time.
You can have only one instance of the TI VST. That single instance supports up to 16 parts (4 with the TI Snow) with up to 3 stereo/6 mono audio outputs.

More complex sounds eat more voices up, so the 25% extra DSP can be significant if the TI will be the primary source of sounds for you.

Re: a big difference in the virus ti and virus ti2 plugins?

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:19 pm
by Solderman
tekkentool wrote:Look at sylenth1, Massive, ACE, DIVA and waldorf largo. If you can't find what you wanted the virus for in there I'd be surprised.
I wouldn't. I've tried all of them and f**k hate the tone of every single one. The interfaces are good for click and drag, but I felt all of them sounded harsh, compressed and lacking in subtle, pleasing detail. Almost decided Surge was ok, but ultimately its sound also grinded my nerves after a little while. Even the buggy-a*s mda JX10 has better resonant filters and it's been around twice as long as any of those. In contrast, free software like VOPM and Antti Asynth had dynamics and character to spare, and stack well with multiple instances.

I don't really understand the allure of the tonality of this 2008-2013 generation of subtractive soft-synths. Why would you care if you have 14 simultaneous modulation sources if they all end up sounding like a brillo pad scraping a tin roof? Why would you use anything that sounds flat and characterless after you've EQ'd out all the mud and harsh treble? Perhaps I am just behind the musical times now and cannot agree with the character of these synths, since it apparently is a continuing trend.

I still love my Virus b, even with its shitty Multi interface, non-existant ability to stay in sync with Midi clock and all. But perhaps it's because I've got a long history with it. You should still try all the above suggested soft-synths and decide, as they are still very powerful and intuitive to use. Myself, I'm sticking with my Virus b and am about to get Omnisphere. And that's probably because I missed the analogue fire sale and am still bitter about it. Pay me no mind. :|

Re: a big difference in the virus ti and virus ti2 plugins?

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:49 pm
by krzeppa
[quote="Alex E"]Personally, I'd hang onto your C since you already have it. When I finally tried the TI desktop, I was blown away by the sound, but pretty frustrated with the so called "Total Integration" which never worked the way I wanted it to.
quote]

Same for me....I have a TI2, but I never try to use it in "TI" mode anymore. It just freezes up or does quirky things that make it a real PITA.

Re: a big difference in the virus ti and virus ti2 plugins?

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:11 pm
by Hybrid88
Actually I agree with you Solderman, and I embrace softsynths, computers and all the cool things they can do - but yes in the end you are always fighting the tone of them, mixing/tweaking the s**t out of them, masking them with reverb/FX etc, just to get a good sound out of them - not so if you've experienced a hardware synth of any quality. If a VA is mimicking analog then a computer is mimicking a VA in my opinion. No substitute for it, that's why you still see a heap of people using hardware synths in studios even today.

But I digress, the Ti is a phenomenal synth, but yes the plugin implementation is rather s**t in practice by all accounts. But then if you wanted a plugin, why not get a plugin? :geek:

Re: a big difference in the virus ti and virus ti2 plugins?

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:20 pm
by meatballfulton
I've heard a lot of "squeaky wheels" reporting TI bugs, but I never had issues with my TI Snow. Maybe because I'm a Mac user? It worked as advertised with both Ableton Live and Cubase.

After all if it was totally broken, Access would have had to do something by now. It's been out for 8 years already and survived numerous Windows and Mac OS updates as well as DAW version changes.

My advice would be to see if you could try it first somehow...buying it new with a 30-day return policy for instance. If you're buying it used, well that might be a problem.

As far as recommending going with softsynths instead, I would not go that far. Certainly removing the drain on the CPU needed by the best sounding VSTis is a real plus of the TI. In fact I used my Snow with nothing but a USB cable plugged in. For every user who thinks the Virus sounds better than any softsynth there's a user who feels the exact opposite. I'm in the middle, I went to Alchemy and A.C.E. which I think sound great but there are sounds, esp. deep Moog-ish bass patches, that made me understand why Access can get away with a premium price. If you like the sound of the C, I'm sure you will also like the sound of the TI.

a big difference in the virus ti and virus ti2 plugins?

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:30 pm
by krzeppa
meatballfulton wrote:I've heard a lot of "squeaky wheels" reporting TI bugs, but I never had issues with my TI Snow. Maybe because I'm a Mac user? It worked as advertised with both Ableton Live and Cubase.
I'm a Mac user as well....I use Logic Pro 9. I can't say that the "TI" doesn't work, but it just seems like a PITA to me. I can get results much faster by using as a hardware synth than a "VST." I seem to move faster and better with hardware anyway. I enjoy using other softsynths (Arturia V Collection and Korg Analog Legacy), but for some reason I get headache when trying to use the Virus like them. Perhaps I'm just doing something (which is highly likely if not probable). The Virus is a great synth though, and I would never get rid of it.

Re: a big difference in the virus ti and virus ti2 plugins?

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:05 am
by chimney chop
this is all great to know.

"total integration" would be great but looks like it isn't fully implemented correctly or at least it's a pain to get it to where it is.

the motivation behind my interest in the TI/TI2 is(was) this.........

when i use Indigo 2 it's great to tweak as i play which helps me create sounds as i create music.

i love the way the Indigo sounds and thought, "hey, i know, lets get a TI. that'll allow me the immediacy of hardware and yet employ the versatility of a VST"

with softsynths i have to stop playing, lift my hands from the synth, put them on the mouse, go back to playing, stop playing, tweak a bit more, drive out to the desert, blow my brains out.

guess for now i have to shelve my dreams of a hardware synth that doubles as a VST, drive to Guitar Center and buy a f*$%ing slate gray midi keyboard.

maybe it'll keep me out of the desert.