Gary Numan - the pleasure principle, best phaser ever?

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Gary Numan - the pleasure principle, best phaser ever?

Post by syntheticsolutions » Mon May 13, 2013 11:58 pm

I have been listening to the pleasure principle loads recently and I can't help but wonder what phaser is used on the polymoog throughout the record.

Whatever it is, it sounds absolutely incredible. Does anyone have any idea what was used on the record?
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Re: Gary Numan - the pleasure principle, best phaser ever?

Post by fh991586 » Tue May 14, 2013 1:31 am

I've always read that it was the MXR Phase 100.
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Re: Gary Numan - the pleasure principle, best phaser ever?

Post by bochelli » Tue May 14, 2013 10:09 am

I think also it was the MXR ive a boxed one vintage.
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Re: Gary Numan - the pleasure principle, best phaser ever?

Post by burnsjed » Tue May 14, 2013 1:58 pm

According to all the 'internet sources' it is indeed a MXR Phase 100.
You can hear it all over Numan's synth sounds from the late 70's to early 80's, and certainly sounds sweet!

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Re: Gary Numan - the pleasure principle, best phaser ever?

Post by celebutante » Tue May 14, 2013 7:21 pm

Definitely a Phase 100, but at least 50% of that magic is Polymoog Vox Humana- you won't get that sound by just plugging a string patch in! ;)
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Re: Gary Numan - the pleasure principle, best phaser ever?

Post by Walter Ego » Tue May 14, 2013 7:58 pm

syntheticsolutions wrote:I have been listening to the pleasure principle loads recently
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Oh, you had me at "loads"

But seriously, such a great record. It sometimes stays in my stereo for weeks....
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Re: Gary Numan - the pleasure principle, best phaser ever?

Post by bochelli » Tue May 14, 2013 10:17 pm

Yes the Polymoog 280a keyboard preset 1 played a major role for that sound, was it direct out ?, i think the flipside to Cars single Asylum offers perhaps the polymoogs finest hour.
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Re: Gary Numan - the pleasure principle, best phaser ever?

Post by celebutante » Wed May 15, 2013 12:32 am

Not to start the usual Vox Humana creation firestorm, but I'm of the opinion that the "direct thing" doesn't make too much difference. A lot of people think the secret of this patch is in the filters and or resonators. It isn't. The secret is separately LFO'ing PWM and pitch for both oscillators (i.e. independently LFO the pitch and PWM for the pulse oscillator as well as the pitch for the saw oscillator, all at different rates- Polymoog had one oscillator that only did square/pulse and one that only did sawtooth). That's what gives it the uniquely warbly tone- mostly it's the PWM and vibrato on the PWM oscillator that gives that weird warbly tone. For some reason it doesn't sound right on some VA synths, but you can totally nail it on others if you have the three LFO's. Believe it or not, I've VERY closely emulated Vox Humana in Arturia's JP-8 plug- it has two "onboard" LFO's plus two "hidden" bonus LFO's.

As for real analog polysynths, there very few that have the three LFO's necessary to do this. I think you can do it on a CS-80.
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Re: Gary Numan - the pleasure principle, best phaser ever?

Post by ppg_wavecomputer » Wed May 15, 2013 11:26 am

MXR Phase 100?

Gosh, EH Polyphase I would have thought...

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Re: Gary Numan - the pleasure principle, best phaser ever?

Post by rodgre » Mon May 20, 2013 2:39 am

Bear in mind that the awesome effect on Complex is a flanger, not phaser.
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Re: Gary Numan - the pleasure principle, best phaser ever?

Post by Fatbenelton » Tue May 21, 2013 8:40 am

I think the direct out thing did make a difference - I had a 280A and it defo sounded different - did it bypass the extra board filters or something if you didn't??? Either way was different..........

I used a MXR Phase 90 and it sounded pretty close so to be honest any decent 'vintage'/old fashioned phaser would prob sound ok as a lot of the magic is in the Vox Humana preset..

Finally, I'm all for the real thing (but £460 to repair it.....) but I heard a Vox Humana patch on a Waldorf Blofeld with the sample option and it was very impressive. Also a D-50/D-550 can get close and I understand NUman used these on his late 80's/early 90's tours for that purpose.
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Re: Gary Numan - the pleasure principle, best phaser ever?

Post by Cybercardinal » Tue May 21, 2013 3:29 pm

Just stumbled over this. How cool is that :2cool:

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Re: Gary Numan - the pleasure principle, best phaser ever?

Post by Jinsai » Tue May 21, 2013 10:14 pm

Numan was a Queen fan - Roger Taylor, Queen's drummer, played on "Dance".
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Re: Gary Numan - the pleasure principle, best phaser ever?

Post by celebutante » Fri May 24, 2013 5:51 am

No way to know if this was on that particular occasion, but Gary tells a funny story in a radio interview where he went to dinner at a very foo foo vegetarian restaurant with the Queen posse, and he couldn't find anything to eat. Freddie found out and sent out for McDonald's burgers for Gary (not in a snobby way either- to take care of him. Gary had nothing but nice things to say about what a sweet guy Freddie was!).
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