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DAF - Der Mussolini

Post by Aaron2 » Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:08 am

OK, so I'm about 30 years late in "discovering" this little gem by DAF. But for the life of me, though, I'm having a helluva time trying recreate the tone of the main riff with my analog gear. I assume it's a synthesizer. Am I wrong? My other thought was that it might be a six-string bass that was recorded and looped (there's even a little glitch at the end of each go-round that suggests some tape splicing).

Anyway, here's a couple of videos. The first is the original, but the audio quality isn't that good. The second is a re-recording by the original lead singer, I believe. You can hear the riff a little better.





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Re: DAF - Der Mussolini

Post by nathanscribe » Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:20 am

Sounds like it could be a couple of things - either osc sync with some envelope sweep on pulse waves and a slightly resonant filter, or a pretty regular filter sweep run through an overdrive/distortion pedal. If you've ever pushed a monosynth through a bunch of guitar effects you'll know how easy it is to get this kind of tone.

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Re: DAF - Der Mussolini

Post by synthparts » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:11 pm

I believe they used an ARP Avatar sequenced by an ARP Sequencer...
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Re: DAF - Der Mussolini

Post by ppg_wavecomputer » Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:08 pm

DAF are infamous for using the Korg MS-20/SQ-10 rig as well as the ARP Odyssey Mk. 2 with ARP Sequencer (which they found in Conny´s studio back then).

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Re: DAF - Der Mussolini

Post by Aaron2 » Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:43 am

Thanks for the info, guys.

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Re: DAF - Der Mussolini

Post by mute » Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:35 am

ppg_wavecomputer wrote:DAF are infamous for using the Korg MS-20/SQ-10 rig as well as the ARP Odyssey Mk. 2 with ARP Sequencer (which they found in Conny´s studio back then).

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..and mostly the former. Der Mussolini is all MS-20/SQ-10. I've always though it's running through some kind of phaser or chorus on that track. They also still use that setup on stage when performing it.

I don't make their style of music (and loath most modern "EBM"), but DAF, Nitzer Ebb, early Die Krupps and early 242 are the reason I wanted a MS-20 since I was 14-15 :twisted:

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Re: DAF - Der Mussolini

Post by Aaron2 » Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:41 am

mute wrote:I don't make their style of music (and loath most modern "EBM"), but DAF, Nitzer Ebb, early Die Krupps and early 242 are the reason I wanted a MS-20 since I was 14-15 :twisted:
Well, now there's the MS-20 Mini, which puts the MS-20 sound within reach to the rest of us! Go for it! 8-)

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Re: DAF - Der Mussolini

Post by ppg_wavecomputer » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:51 pm

mute wrote:
ppg_wavecomputer wrote:DAF are infamous for using the Korg MS-20/SQ-10 rig as well as the ARP Odyssey Mk. 2 with ARP Sequencer (which they found in Conny´s studio back then).

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..and mostly the former. Der Mussolini is all MS-20/SQ-10. I've always though it's running through some kind of phaser or chorus on that track. They also still use that setup on stage when performing it.

I don't make their style of music (and loath most modern "EBM"), but DAF, Nitzer Ebb, early Die Krupps and early 242 are the reason I wanted a MS-20 since I was 14-15 :twisted:
Not to forget Chrislo Haas´ early work on the MS20 when he was still member of DAF -- and, of course, his contribution to Liaisons Dangereuses.

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Re: DAF - Der Mussolini

Post by mute » Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:41 pm

Aaron2 wrote:
mute wrote:I don't make their style of music (and loath most modern "EBM"), but DAF, Nitzer Ebb, early Die Krupps and early 242 are the reason I wanted a MS-20 since I was 14-15 :twisted:
Well, now there's the MS-20 Mini, which puts the MS-20 sound within reach to the rest of us! Go for it! 8-)
Already have one ;] It's been a long wait.. I was a day away from buying one from one of those japan dealers when the possible news was leaked, so I put it off.
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Re: DAF - Der Mussolini

Post by Micke » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:40 pm

I've read on some German synth forum that they used an ARP Odyssey w/sequencer on the studio recording of Der Mussolini but I really
don't know if that's true.
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Re: DAF - Der Mussolini

Post by Aaron2 » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:05 pm

This guy does a credible cover of the bassline using a Pro-One:



The actual playing starts about a minute into the video.

This actually sounds like two sequences running to me: maybe a straight-eighth-note bass line underneath the main riff. No?

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Re: DAF - Der Mussolini

Post by mute » Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:10 am

I had a guess and a go on the bassline today....or at least started to, then it turned into this. Anyways, recorded some live bits straight from the mixer.. FR Mobius/MS20/Minibrute/CZ1

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Re: DAF - Der Mussolini

Post by Aaron2 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:12 am

mute wrote:I had a guess and a go on the bassline today....or at least started to, then it turned into this. Anyways, recorded some live bits straight from the mixer.. FR Mobius/MS20/Minibrute/CZ1


Nice track, dude! What did you record it with? The sound is very full and "in your face." =D>

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Re: DAF - Der Mussolini

Post by mute » Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:16 am

nothing special.. It was just very loud ;p the synths run through my Mackie with some aux fx, then recorded into my computer as a single take/track.. I did do a final compression on it to try and level it out a little, but nothing heavy. while playing I mostly moved between the mixer level/eqs/auxsends and the synths.

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