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Re: Moog Little Phatty Discontinued

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 2:43 am
by Blue Monster 65
Automatic Gainsay wrote:
Blue Monster 65 wrote:Hmm ... A Moog drum machine would catch my attention!
I'll probably sound like a d**k asking this, but I mean it honestly:

Why?

Moog has never made a drum machine. The things that make Moog desirable have nothing to do with a drum machine. Granted, they did make a guitar, which was just as obtuse as a drum machine would be, but what exactly about Moog would make you want a drum machine from Moog other than the name Moog?
'Cause I like drum machines. I'd mess with it a bit, see what it can do, then probably sell it on. Just my fun. I can afford to do so, so why not?

And, being something completely different from Moog, I'd like to see what they do.

And no, I didn't buy the guitar because I tend to hate guitar synthesizers - I'm a bit of a luddite when it comes to my six string friends.

Re: Moog Little Phatty Discontinued

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:45 am
by Stab Frenzy
tekkentool wrote:But seriously, wanna know the future of moog music?


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Animoog is fantastic in my opinion. It and Nave are my two favourite ipad synths, but I think Animoog really uses the strengths of the touch interface in a much better way than Nave.

Re: Moog Little Phatty Discontinued

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:01 am
by Hybrid88
^ +1 It is really good :)

Re: Moog Little Phatty Discontinued

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:09 am
by CZ Rider
Automatic Gainsay wrote: Moog never produced a drum machine and is not known for doing so. In fact, except for the recent postings on the Moog Forum in regard to the 700 series, most people had never heard it.
Looks like a drum machine to me? Here is one of the Bob Moog designed modules in the 700 system built for Eric Siday. Capable of playing back repeating patterns with a clock, tempo, and pattern selectors. Just looks like it was made in the 60's. Quite capable of playing beats.
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Eric Siday comissioned Bob Moog to build a percussion/drum machine. It was used but not completely finished yet at the live MOMA concert before it was delivered to Eric.
Eric Siday was famous for all his TV adds, jingles, and corporate sound logos. I'm sure millions of people have heard the 700 he used but do not realize it. His Moog audio logos could be heard on many american TV spots from the NET logo (pre PBS) to the CBS, ABC, and Screen Gems logos. This guy was playing a Moog for millions. He released two albums, Sounds Of Now 1 and 2 in 1971. Eric was very talented and what sounds like real drums could be the 700 and could be actual percussion, or half and half. You can bet though, if Eric paid Bob Moog to bulid him a drum pattern machine, he used it on many recordings, and lots of people have heard them. This was not some obscure machine sold to some obscure artist. He inspired many to seek this new technology, and so many people heard a Moog for the first time because of Eric.
So yes, Moog did produce a single purpose drum machine. I'm sure if anyone had the money back then, Bob would have built you one too! They were only limited by the people willing to pay for one.

Today Moog Music could build one for much less I'm sure. Would be an interesting direction since they do have a history with synthesized percussion.

Re: Moog Little Phatty Discontinued

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:11 am
by Kenneth
Blue Monster 65 wrote:
Automatic Gainsay wrote:
Blue Monster 65 wrote:Hmm ... A Moog drum machine would catch my attention!
I'll probably sound like a d**k asking this, but I mean it honestly:

Why?

Moog has never made a drum machine. The things that make Moog desirable have nothing to do with a drum machine. Granted, they did make a guitar, which was just as obtuse as a drum machine would be, but what exactly about Moog would make you want a drum machine from Moog other than the name Moog?
'Cause I like drum machines. I'd mess with it a bit, see what it can do, then probably sell it on. Just my fun. I can afford to do so, so why not?

And, being something completely different from Moog, I'd like to see what they do.

And no, I didn't buy the guitar because I tend to hate guitar synthesizers - I'm a bit of a luddite when it comes to my six string friends.
Whoa, slow down there, Moog guitar is NOT a guitar synth. Not going to get into it because it's way off topic, but you should probably do a bit of research into it if you want to act like you know what it is.

Re: Moog Little Phatty Discontinued

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:33 am
by silikon
...perhaps not, but I'm sure it doesn't warrant such a shitty, condescending remark like that.

Re: Moog Little Phatty Discontinued

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:20 pm
by Blue Monster 65
Kenneth wrote:Whoa, slow down there, Moog guitar is NOT a guitar synth. Not going to get into it because it's way off topic, but you should probably do a bit of research into it if you want to act like you know what it is.
True. I only played with it for about ten minutes, but that was more than enough for my taste.

Re: Moog Little Phatty Discontinued

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:21 pm
by calaverasgrande
I would buy a Moog guitar in a heartbeat, if I played guitar. But I am more of a bassist. Unfortunately they dont make a moog bass guitar. I think the magnetic fields needed to do the same thing to a higher tension thicker string would probably sterilize anyone that played it.

It seems like Moog only discontinues the things I want.
with the exception of Foogers none of my Moogs are in production anymore.

Re: Moog Little Phatty Discontinued

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:40 am
by Synthacon
There is a guy in the UK selling various Moog percussion modules on eBay.....

Anyway, Little Phatty discontinued, it was loved and hated by equal amounts of people. Personally the lack of a noise generator was a bit of a mystery, but then the Prodigy also lacked one.

As for the future, I just hope they make something exciting. Rehashing the past and trading on the brand and name of Moog can not go on forever. With several new mono synths at around the £400-500 price point they need to look at that. I understand premium products etc... But if they go more expensive then it needs to stand out by a mile that it is worth it.

Re: Moog Little Phatty Discontinued

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:05 am
by bochelli
I just hope Moog do not end up like Maplin here in the UK a once good store that is now mostly gadgets that are forgotten the moment you take your purchase away, I remain corrected anytime but LP had traces of the past in it I don't think Moog can offer much else .

Re: Moog Little Phatty Discontinued

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:46 pm
by Cumulus
I've been making noises about my desire for a Moog drum machine for quite a while.

Sure, it would be a departure for them but what's wrong with that? They could put out a machine that would sound great with a 100% analog soundpath, multiple white noise generators and Moog filters.

You could have complete control over paramters and it could be used to sequence other gear via MIDI and CV.

It would be a revolutionary product for them and I think it woudl sell.

Re: Moog Little Phatty Discontinued

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:56 pm
by Cumulus
Another way they could go (and this would be controversial) is the affordable route. They could make somethign akin to the cute little boxes Korg is putting out with a similar price point.

i know that would "cheapen the brand" and all that but it could also broaden their maket and make them bucket loads of money.

Lego toys are a good marketing example.

If you want to buy a certain type Lego set, say Star Wars Legos, you can get one for under $5.00 with a single figure and a little spaceship or you can spend $300.00 on the mega-honkin' huge galactic monster star destroyer. All of their products work together. The cost of entry is low but you can build on each purchase so nothing is wasted.

Even Apple is getting in on the low-cost market with the iPhone-C, which I hate, BTW.

If Moog did the same thing there would certainly be people who hated the new cheap synths but would anyone actually abandon the expensive ones just because the cheap ones existed?

Re: Moog Little Phatty Discontinued

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:25 pm
by calaverasgrande
Cumulus wrote:Another way they could go (and this would be controversial) is the affordable route. They could make somethign akin to the cute little boxes Korg is putting out with a similar price point.

i know that would "cheapen the brand" and all that but it could also broaden their maket and make them bucket loads of money.

Lego toys are a good marketing example.

If you want to buy a certain type Lego set, say Star Wars Legos, you can get one for under $5.00 with a single figure and a little spaceship or you can spend $300.00 on the mega-honkin' huge galactic monster star destroyer. All of their products work together. The cost of entry is low but you can build on each purchase so nothing is wasted.

Even Apple is getting in on the low-cost market with the iPhone-C, which I hate, BTW.

If Moog did the same thing there would certainly be people who hated the new cheap synths but would anyone actually abandon the expensive ones just because the cheap ones existed?
not to go too far off topic but the 5c is nothing new.
For a while now Apple has kept the previous generation iPhone around as a the "budget" option. This time they opted to put a new housing on the old phone (the iPhone 5) and add the fingerprint sensor. But it is still essentially a plain old iphone 5 from last year.

For Moog I think the Mooger Foogers serve as the iPod of their product line. I wonder how many of us started with a Mooger Fooger and bought a used analog synth just to fool around with the CV capabilities. Then were sitting there thinking, "this is WAY more fun than midi"!

I've brought that up before, but I seriously think that without Moog, and without the Mooger Foogers the current analog modular scene wouldn't be what it is.
Sure many of us were already into analog before Big Briar got the Moog name back. But I wonder if the 20-35 crowd would have ever been exposed to the fun of analog synthesis so easily without those Foogers.

Re: Moog Little Phatty Discontinued

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:36 pm
by CZ Rider
Synthacon wrote:There is a guy in the UK selling various Moog percussion modules on eBay.....
Those Moog 700 series drum modules sure look interesting. Especially the 702 with the "repition" dial. Guess that was for a drum roll kind of sound. I did find a few MP3's of the Moog 700 from Eric Siday. Sounds like Eric was using that drum roll on this clip. No doubt this is a drum machine though.
From 1971 the Moog 700, the original programable synthesized drum machine.

The EKO Computerhythm is listed as the first programable drum machine in 1972, but the Moog 700 beat it by a few years.

Anyhow Moog leaked the info on their next new product, the MINIfoogers. Guess these would be more like a small stomp box with fewer CV inputs. Rogue Music had a page up but quickly took it down. Here is the screen capture.
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Re: Moog Little Phatty Discontinued

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:34 pm
by atkbg
Sounds almost like the Dan Armstrong/Musitronics/Mu-tron line for 30 years ago.
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