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Proph 08 Jump

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:58 am
by TaylorBart
I have heard a lot of comparisons between the DSI prophet 08 and the OBXa.
I feel like the ocillators are so diffrent sounding. Tried to make a simple "JUMP" Style patch with detuned sawtooth waves and it just sounds so weak and rizzy. They just seem very diffrent. Which obviously they are. But you think it could make THAT patch easy. Anybody have insight?

Re: Proph 08 Jump

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:44 am
by GuyaGuy
TaylorBart wrote: But you think it could make THAT patch easy.
I certainly hope not.

Re: Proph 08 Jump

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:58 pm
by tomorrowstops
The Prophet 08 has NOTHING on any of the vintage synths its compared to. People need to get that wishful thinking hopefulness straight up outa their heads.

Its a different beast altogether; no ifs ands or BUTS.

Yes its got analog filters and signal path. But every functional aspect of it is digitally controlled and 'performs' as such. Very clean, VERY predictable.

A super cool sounding synth if you forget trying to make it sound old!

Re: Proph 08 Jump

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:53 pm
by Bitexion
But cmon man, we're talking the f**k JUMP patch here. The most basic of synth brass sounds. It's not like it's witchcraft because it came from an old Oberheim in 1984.

Re: Proph 08 Jump

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:33 pm
by tomorrowstops
Yeah yeah, buuuut the reason the jump patch sounds so good is because of how massive sounding it is. You can get close with prophet 08, but it wont be nearly as powerful as on a true voltage controlled board. And no, the 'slop' feature can't get you all the way there either.

Op - this all being said, lets hear a clip of the patch you created, as I bet there'll be debate about how close you got!

Re: Proph 08 Jump

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:06 pm
by Alex E
Jesus Christ you guys, The Jump patch is not "massive" sounding. It's so simple: Just about any subtractive synthesizer can make it. If nothing sounds right because you're that obsessed with recreating two detuned saws being pitch modulated with an envelope, then I think you need to get some fresh air.

Re: Proph 08 Jump

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:15 pm
by AK79
I always wondered why the OBXa in the Jump Video is so covered with dust ?

maybe thats the secret.

Re: Proph 08 Jump

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:26 pm
by tomorrowstops
Alex E wrote:Jesus Christ you guys, The Jump patch is not "massive" sounding. It's so simple: Just about any subtractive synthesizer can make it. If nothing sounds right because you're that obsessed with recreating two detuned saws being pitch modulated with an envelope, then I think you need to get some fresh air.

BUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUT mommmmmmmmmmmm!

You are totally right though, we're over analyzing!

Re: Proph 08 Jump

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:39 am
by Bitexion
Every subtractive synth since 1984 MUST have a Jump preset.

I remember when Jexus picked up/reviewed the Alesis Ion, the first thing he asked was "Where is the Jump preset?"

Re: Proph 08 Jump

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:52 am
by tomorrowstops
So whats the story with that patch anyways? Did EVH mastermind that s**t or what?

Re: Proph 08 Jump

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:28 am
by meatballfulton
tomorrowstops wrote:Did EVH mastermind that s**t or what?
He stole it from the guys in Toto :guitar:

Re: Proph 08 Jump

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:34 am
by shaft9000
:lol:

Jump-synth Thread # 5,451,835 fun fact: it's not just the synth (and patchmaking know-how)
it's also the sound of the fx chain; there's delay and reverb - and whatever the op-amps of the mixing board imparts, and of course the peculiarities of the tape machine(s) etc - not to mention an expert, top engineer to make it sound it's best.
oh, haha, and someone that can play it all to it's best expression/ did i forget anything??

to summarize,
pssst it ain't just the synth and the patch, guise.

Re: Proph 08 Jump

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:43 am
by TaylorBart
√Detuned Saws
√Reverb
√Delay
√Killer Preamp
The env on the pitch might a help a bit. I have that on my other brass sounds.

I am not trying to be a synth simpleton here.
I get that it's an elementary patch... It also happens to be very useful.
I get it on paper and I have managed to make it with different VSTs before
My main complaint: I can make it in Trillian and in Ableton and my korg SV-1 has a killer sounding ripoff, even the micorkorg does a good job. I am just a little disappointed that my Proph gets beat that in this instance because it smokes digital stuff(I know trillian is sample based) most of the time.

Re: Proph 08 Jump

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:25 am
by commodorejohn
Well, whaddya expect? Analog synths aren't all things to all people. They have their own character and different strengths and weaknesses.

Re: Proph 08 Jump

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:44 pm
by Bitexion
If you can play these chords: C-G-F then you should be set. And the "fast" solo bit is just the same chords arpeggiated instead of held.