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will the mini brute replace the pro one/sh 101

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:47 pm
by princefan3
was just curious as to what you think the mini brute will bring to the table.

im thinking it looks like a replacement for the pro one or even the sh 101.

Re: will the mini brute replace the pro one/sh 101

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:15 pm
by Bitexion
Its oscillator section and filter is so unique I don't think it replaces anything, really. The oscillator can mix 5 separate waveforms at once.

Re: will the mini brute replace the pro one/sh 101

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:19 pm
by meatballfulton
What the Brutes bring to the table: widely available and way less expensive, MIDI and doesn't need servicing as soon as you buy it.

I firmly believe 98% of the people who think they need an SH-101 or ProOne are deluded by hype, many other monos will do the job just as well.

Remember the best synth for your music is the one you actually own =D>

Re: will the mini brute replace the pro one/sh 101

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:29 pm
by yorgatron
^ what he said.

I track a lot of stuff on craigslist, vintage monosynths that would have been snapped up right away a few years back, are now relisted time and again by people who think they should still sell at top-of-the-market prices.

honestly, why would anyone pay $1400 for an SH-101 (w/handgrip of course) when you can get 2 or 3 new and/or slightly used synths for that much?

:dontknow:

just to make perfectly clear; I collect vintage synths and keyboards, because I like how they look, and how they feel, and they give me happy memories of a time 35 years ago when I should have applied myself and learned how to play keyboards, instead of giving up and playing guitar instead. if I were starting out now I think I would be more inclined to buy new stuff, with a warranty.

Re: will the mini brute replace the pro one/sh 101

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:32 pm
by Zamise
I would say no. No detuning of separate oscillators on the MB which I think is probably one of those other synths defining characteristics. The MB can sound beefy, but not fat or is it the other way around?

Re: will the mini brute replace the pro one/sh 101

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:44 pm
by Automatic Gainsay
meatballfulton wrote:I firmly believe 98% of the people who think they need an SH-101 or ProOne are deluded by hype, many other monos will do the job just as well.
This

Re: will the mini brute replace the pro one/sh 101

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:57 pm
by micahjonhughes
Having had both, the minibrute does not have the same diversity of sonic pallete as the pro one. The minibrute is still a good synth in its own right with its own sound and is well worth having considering its price. However, its not a replacement for a pro one.

I think the attraction of the SH 101 is the ease of dialing in certain bass sounds. If you want those sounds, a SH 101 makes sense and might be the only thing that will do. If you just want a little monosynth, maybe the minibrute is a good alternative.

Re: will the mini brute replace the pro one/sh 101

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:07 pm
by princefan3
also the mini brute does not have a sequencer...a lot of (you tube clips) show electribes driving them along.

the sh 101 does not do it for me, nor the mc 202....so i was considering the mini/with electribe, just to get
the lower end that the juno 60 cant do.

Re: will the mini brute replace the pro one/sh 101

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:10 pm
by yorgatron
isn't there a super-cheap sequencer coming out soon? like $100 cheap?

Re: will the mini brute replace the pro one/sh 101

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:21 pm
by micahjonhughes
Remember that the minibrute has a 12db lowpass filter. You're not going to get Moog basses (or any other 24db lowpass filer) sounds from it. Of course, it does what it does (which as I recall was best when aggressive). If you like the bass sounds it makes, get one. If you want to just try it out, get one - the resale market is pretty stable.

Re: will the mini brute replace the pro one/sh 101

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:36 pm
by Dr. Phibes
No, nothing will actually replace those quality instruments of yesteryear that have stood the test of time. They have a character all of their own. That's not me being down on modern analogue, I think they're great and probably do offer most budding synthesists all that they need but my heart lies with the old stuff.

Prices will vary, but what's new?

Re: will the mini brute replace the pro one/sh 101

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:17 pm
by somebedroomdj
princefan3 wrote:also the mini brute does not have a sequencer...a lot of (you tube clips) show electribes driving them along.

the sh 101 does not do it for me, nor the mc 202....so i was considering the mini/with electribe, just to get
the lower end that the juno 60 cant do.
Not trying to take the thread too far from where it started. But I've experimented with the Electribe + Brute combo and it's very slick. I have the ESX and you can assign both of it's monophonic keyboard parts to the same midi channel. Then, create a different sequence on each part for the Brute to play. You can then play either one of them or both parts at once and the brute will take on all the notes from both. Mess around with the portamento and release, etc and you can get some crazy stuff going on. And then add a Monotribe to this (driven by the Brute via CV) and you can get a great deal of complexity.

Re: will the mini brute replace the pro one/sh 101

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:21 pm
by Alex E
Being a former SH-101 owner, I can honestly say the real killer of the 101 might be the Bass Station II.

As for the pro one, I dunno.

Re: will the mini brute replace the pro one/sh 101

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:08 pm
by pmh
Some very interesting points.

If you were buying a keyboard purely for it's sound and functionality, then there are many worthy contenders.

However, like many other items: cars, motorbikes, etc, it's mainly the nostalgia, uniqueness, first of a kind, collectability etc, that is the reason for ownership.

The only true Pro Ones are the original ones.

Kind regards,



Phil

Re: will the mini brute replace the pro one/sh 101

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:43 pm
by calaverasgrande
honestly I think a lot of folks are into the SH101, TB303 and other Roland gear for the same reason folks buy Fenders and Gibsons. Brand recognition and the whole "my favorite artist uses/used that!".
If I was a young kid today I don't think that stuff would even be on my radar for the same reason that my first bass guitar was NOT a Fender.
Because I'm a contrarian POS and I can't stand conformity (still as true at 45 as it was at 15).
An older musician once pointed out to me that most of that 'vintage' stuff was new when our heroes performed with it.