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Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:46 am
by V301H
I would never buy a 250+ pound instrument other than maybe a Piano or Hammond Organ. A new 8-voice instrument that big would be a hard sell even if they could magically get the price down to $500. When the CS80 came out it's nearest competitors were also selling for several thousand dollars. People these days are spoiled by cheap 88-key instruments that weigh 25 pounds.

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:33 am
by recordbot
Automatic Gainsay wrote:was not made with cheap components

digging around inside CS series polysynths on the KAS board you will discover that there are 3 military grade transistors developed by fairchild semiconductor for use in the apollo space program,

also the 2 microprocessors are I believe the first microprocessors ever manufactured

those synths are oozing electronics technology history even if the parts used were a bit older and no longer cutting edge by the time they were put in the synths it's still very cool to have parts designed for use in outer space in your keyboard

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:37 am
by recordbot
oh and on the subject,

since totally restored CS 80s have been going for around 20K for a while now and even more when totally restored by certain CS 80 specialists I would imagine they could sell a new reproduction of one for 10K pretty easy, I would sell a pile of things to get one at that price if it sounded close to the same on average

thats the thing about those, I hear none of them sounded the same coming out new from the factory, Vangelis supposedly bought 9 or 10 of them and hacked all the best parts into 3 units he used and kept the rest for spare parts

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:48 am
by Stab Frenzy
recordbot wrote:since totally restored CS 80s have been going for around 20K for a while now and even more when totally restored by certain CS 80 specialists I would imagine they could sell a new reproduction of one for 10K pretty easy, I would sell a pile of things to get one at that price if it sounded close to the same on average
The problem with that is that Yamaha (who haven't even released a new VA since the AN1x, which shows how interested in making synths they are) wanted to make and sell these at $10k they would have to be doing reasonable volumes of production to make it a) worth their time and b) financially viable. There would be maybe 100 people tops in the world who would pay $10k for a CS80 reissue in my opinion, and those numbers don't make it worthwhile for Yamaha to do a run. A few years back when CS80s were going for $5-6k they weren't in a huge amount of demand, just because the demand has gone up a bit and the price has skyrocketed (bubbled in my opinion) doesn't mean there are that many people out there with the money to spend on this. Sorry it's just not possible.

Korg can do it with a $500 MS-20 because people don't think twice about spending $500 on a synth and they're moving tens of thousands I reckon.

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:12 am
by calaverasgrande
that premise brings up an interesting idea. Reissues of vintage discrete synths with all SMT construction?
Just about any discrete circuit can be re-done with SMT cheaper and more reliablly. Not to mention more compact, and in some cases drawing less current, so less heat.
It would be possible to do a CS80 which weighs less and is cheaper to make. That is without a doubt. Will it sound the same? Guitar Amp fetishists argue that hand wired is superior to PCB. I'm sure there is some negligible character but I'd sacrifice that for reliability and note stability. And of course a better price (you can dream right?).

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:28 am
by ranzee
Synthetech wrote:It was reissued.. by Arturia several years ago.

And if you are careful enough.. you might get it for free! (Depending on where you stand regarding your ethics in the warez debate.)
I got my Arturia CS-80V2 for free - when I purchased my Arturia Minibrute, it came with 2 x VST credits = so I got the CS-80V and the Jupiter8V2.

Would I buy a Yamaha re-create - h**l yes! Have you seen how many LFO's that thing had? holy c**p, no wonder it had such a rich sound. I've never had the luxury of being able to play one in real life (I don't think one exists in my city) - there were only 790-ish made iirc.

I've said this before on this forum, if Yamaha were to re-create the analog circuits using similar research as what Roland did with the ACB technology, they might be able to recreate this with a lot less cost - so long as they maintain the analog signal path, I'll be happy!

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:48 am
by GuyaGuy
I'd buy the original instead to have more vintage gear cred.
Then sell it and say it's overrated and can only do the Bladerunner patch.

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:54 am
by rhino
Got to butt in here: I see no reason to re-issue a vintage ANYTHING. Keeping to the topic, manufactures should re-imagine vintage synths as they might have become if not discontinued. Vintage should remain glories from another day. Like the Moog Voyager. Not like the Jupiter-80.

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:54 am
by Bitexion
I like the way they did it with the Alesis Andromeda A6. They've included features from all kinds of vintage synths in it. Like the post-filter sine wave in the mixer section for added oomph (CS-80), full keyboard sized ribbon (where other usually just put a tiny strip on the side), ability to use filters in serial or parallell, a "moog" and a "oberheim" filter, a separate Ringmod knob in the mixer,
ability to use all waveforms at once on each VCO (semi/modular synths) and a host of other things.

It doesn't emulate the panel of a certain vintage item. Just has lots of the features from all of them.

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:11 am
by sequentialsoftshock
CS_TBL wrote:I drive a 2003 Renault, not because I like the year, but it happened to be convenient (read: it wasn't that expensive :)).
Totally off topic, but I thought you were from the states (CA?) ? If I'm wrong never mind, but if that's so, right on ! You are likely one of only a handful of Renault drivers in the US.


Also- I think instead of new synths with that level expressiveness it is time for MIDI controllers capable of translating it. Imagine how amazing it'd be to use a MIDI controller with that amount of options on Aalto or even the CS80V.

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:36 am
by pelican
I'd get one, but the price would have to be 4g's max

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:52 am
by Stab Frenzy
ranzee wrote:I've said this before on this forum, if Yamaha were to re-create the analog circuits using similar research as what Roland did with the ACB technology, they might be able to recreate this with a lot less cost - so long as they maintain the analog signal path, I'll be happy!
You realise that there's nothing analogue about the Roland ACB stuff don't you?

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:58 am
by Hybrid88
I'm not Vangelis so probably not. ;)

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:06 am
by ppg_wavecomputer
Automatic Gainsay wrote:The CS-50 I own is the finest synthesizer (in layout and quality) that I have ever played. It is an example of a synthesizer "done right" in that it was not made with cheap components that feel terrible. It was not made to jump on a few gimicky bandwagons. It was an electronic device designed to deliver a musical physical experience as well as a musical aural experience.
In addition to that, it does a number of things that other synthesizers did not do, and it does them in a staggeringly musical fashion. It is truly a musicians' instrument. [...]
Absolutely.

I´ve been sniffing at the 50 for years. To me, it was nothing but a source of spares for the CS80. I happened to buy one last year. What can I say? I play it more often than I play the CS80, and I enjoy plaing it quite as much -- if not even more -- as playing the 80. That goes to say a lot, doesn´t it.

It is a wonderful little instrument with amazing scope, and in terms of richness of sound it wipes the floor with my Prophet 5 and most of the other polysynths I´ve ever played/had.

Something along these lines would suffice, for starters.

Stephen

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:08 am
by ppg_wavecomputer
Synthetech wrote:It was reissued.. by Arturia several years ago.[...]
Sorry, no arcade games admitted.

Stephen