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Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:47 pm
by Cumulus
When do we start complaining about the possibility of patch memory and how terrible that would be?

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:31 pm
by commodorejohn
calaverasgrande wrote:They keep coming out with really nice tools diguised as toys. While Korg is just making toys that are toys.
The MS-20 Mini and the Kodyssey would like a word with you.

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:10 am
by griffin avid
The MS-20 Mini and the Kodyssey would like a word with you.

Yes, a recreation that started as a scaled-plastic controller and a piece that doesn't exist yet. Perfect mentions for credibility.

Of course you could always look at as a ratio. You know. Serious products verse fun gadgets/gizmos and charming starters. The KORG idea has always been musical things for the non-musician. In other words, get it, grab it and start making music.

Which always gives me the third-day-effect.
The first day, you can't believe how awesome and fun said item is --- and you're still in the glow of how affordable it was. You're just banging out diddles.... and super-inspired. Life is great.

The Second Day you notice a missing feature that would just be perfect had they included it..
You develop work arounds and keep humming along...it moves from front and center to top left on shelf.

The third day finds you fantasizing on what the next release in this line might do. How they NEED to add that missing feature. And it becomes two things: A specialized gizmo for a particular aspect and a beloved piece you refuse to sell because it gave you such fond memories. You think to [hopefully] replace when the next one comes out -that does more.

Not a problem really when you remember what you actually bought.
If anything I think KORG skips the middle. Their top end is incredible. In-cred-I-ble. And their low-end is fun and cheap. I wish they did more in the middle tiers.
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As far as this topic goes, I think EVERYONE wants a re-issue something.
This is Vintage Synth Explo Enthusiasts right?
Sure, get the price somewhat affordable and get the sound close and....

Sure, some would come for the legacy and I think others (Like me) would hope it was, simply a powerful... synthesizer. You could just take that tech and make a power synthesizer. Do you really need that name to sell it to those with disposable income? Or do you have to be old to want powerhouse products and the youth is all about mobile, cheap, musical sketchpads and touchscreens?

Would you re-release it, get it right and see nothing but comparison comments about ableton and a midi controller....?

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:21 am
by calaverasgrande
commodorejohn wrote:
calaverasgrande wrote:They keep coming out with really nice tools disguised as toys. While Korg is just making toys that are toys.
The MS-20 Mini and the Kodyssey would like a word with you.
When I see a Korg built Oddyssey in person I will believe it.


Of course I was making a very broad generalization. It wouldn't be a generalization if there wasn't some paving over of inconsistencies inherent in the statement. If it was true in all cases it would just be, well, the truth!
I'm tempted to make a analogy to illustrate my point here, but of course that would only invite more nitpicking.

I think that Korg and Roland would probably prefer we buy their flagship megasynths if we want poly. I'm sure they think monos are only used by dance music and hip hop ethusiasts for 'teh base'.

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:32 am
by ppg_wavecomputer
8bit9bot wrote: [...] i probably would not buy one because of the impractical size, weight, and expense
I think this would be the wrong assumption. No-one has demanded the "new hypothetic" CS80 to be as big and as heavy as the original one, as yet. Hey, even the CS70m was half the bulk of a CS80, and this could be boilt down quite a bit still.

I would want *that* sound, coupled with *this* user interface and *that* degree of playability. The A6 theoretically could have got there, but ergonomically, it was just wankery of Mr. Hartmann. That´s why I never bought one. As for the Schmidt, I think it has a tad too much of everything, and hey, if this one isn´t going to be bigger than a CS80 physically, I don´t know what is.

"The CS80 only has six usable sounds on board but to me, they are gorgeous. I´d go for a synth with six wonderful sounds on it rather than for a plethora of mediocre ones." (Brian Eno)

Stephen

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:31 am
by calaverasgrande
if nothing else, modern manufacturing should be be able to help iron out those tuning issues.
Most early Yamaha gear was overbuilt to death. I used to maintain a few PM1000 mixers (still have a lot of parts!) and those thing weigh a ton as well. But you can cut half the weight by ditching the huge metal/wood chassis and linear power supply.

There is no reason why a slimmed down version couldn't be well under 80lbs.

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:54 am
by Mac Moog
Absolutely. Same logic, just upgraded and, please, lighter and with PolyAT, MIDI, multichannel output and sequencer.

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 7:23 am
by sequentialsoftshock
griffin avid wrote:Which always gives me the third-day-effect.
The first day, you can't believe how awesome and fun said item is --- and you're still in the glow of how affordable it was. You're just banging out diddles.... and super-inspired. Life is great.

The Second Day you notice a missing feature that would just be perfect had they included it..
You develop work arounds and keep humming along...it moves from front and center to top left on shelf.
I disagree on the third day. I think korg is really good at doing things which do make it to this point, not quite fleshed out, but still very useful (monotrons aside as they ARE toys, and the mono tribe aside as that was a joke...).

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 3:33 pm
by shaft9000
polyAT over usb, maybe, but MIDI - forget it. can you say "8-bit serial data choke" 10x superfast

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:09 pm
by pflosi
shaft9000 wrote:can you say "8-bit serial data choke" 10x superfast
Sequentially or in parallel? :mrgreen:

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:15 pm
by Automatic Gainsay
griffin avid wrote:The MS-20 Mini and the Kodyssey would like a word with you.

Yes, a recreation that started as a scaled-plastic controller and a piece that doesn't exist yet. Perfect mentions for credibility.
The MS-20 Mini did not start out as a controller. The MS-20 Mini and the controller have different cases and different designs.
As for the Odyssey... it's going to happen.

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:24 pm
by Automatic Gainsay
It depresses me that even after all of this time, people still believe that functionality defines sound.

Functionality plays in role in the definition of sound, but it doesn't define sound. Just because a keyboard has the same functionality as another keyboard doesn't mean it will sound anything like the other keyboard. The sound of a synth comes from its components and circuit design.

The CS-80 is a monstrosity of discrete linear circuit design. That is why it sounds good. You would have to change the components AND the circuit design in order to substantially reduce the size and weight of the CS-80. The minute you change the components and circuit design is the moment you have a different synth with a different sound. Even if it retains the same functionality.

Okay, you could make the case out of some different substance, you might be able to get a little more space here and there by changing the arrangement of the PCBs, etc. You could definitely knock off some weight by removing the real keys and poly AT apparatus. But ultimately, the thing might as well not change at all for the likelihood of someone authentically reproducing it.

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:33 pm
by Reginator
I would buy it if were analog and sounded good. There's a lot of good engineers doing great things in synth and microphone designs these days: Major brands and DIY. One for one circuit cloning may not be viable due to costs and obsolete parts, but alternate circuit designs, SMT and new manufacturing processes could create a deceptively convincing modern CS80. It might not sound exactly like the original but it could have enough character to stand on it's own...and weigh less. :)

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:24 pm
by meatballfulton
Would I buy? Nope.

Well, you asked ;)

Re: Would you buy a CS80 if re-released?

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:35 pm
by Bitexion
But there is no point making a "modern cs-80" that doesn't sound and work exactly like the old CS-80. Then you might aswell buy Arturias CS-80V for 130 bucks. Or the Origin keyboard with all the presets and controls in there.