I don't understand the demand for monosynths?

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Re: I don't understand the demand for monosynths?

Post by mute » Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:11 am

mmmmmn.... basslines...mmmmmn, so tasty....

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Re: I don't understand the demand for monosynths?

Post by pflosi » Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:06 am

monolith wrote:Well, if you can kindly point me toward the polyphonic MS20...
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Re: I don't understand the demand for monosynths?

Post by meatballfulton » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:49 pm

pflosi,

You beat me to it.
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Re: I don't understand the demand for monosynths?

Post by Hybrid88 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:34 pm

mute wrote:mmmmmn.... basslines...mmmmmn, so tasty....
Exactly - end argument ;)

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Re: I don't understand the demand for monosynths?

Post by calaverasgrande » Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:11 pm

honest answer;
I started off on bass guitar, so I still think of melodies in a kind of 2 dimensional way.
If I had started on piano or guitar I'd have a better sense of harmony and parallel melody I suppose.
I'm also a terrible keyboardist. So I like to steal my friend Dave Edwardson's line,
"I'm not a keyboardist, I'm a synthesist".
Though I think he stole that from Vince Clarke?

So yeah, monosynths appeal to me as a bassist, and the truth is, poly analogs are out there, but they cost more than I can fit on one paycheck. So I go for the low hanging fruit and buy stuff that I can fit on one paycheck.
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Re: I don't understand the demand for monosynths?

Post by Automatic Gainsay » Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:44 am

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monolith wrote:Well, if you can kindly point me toward the polyphonic MS20...
I can. It's called "multi-tracking." :D
Exactly... or to be more exotic these days.. Sampling..

If you're content with sampling, you don't need realtime expression. I envy you. But sampling is not the same as multitracking because you can't be expressive with functionality in realtime.
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Re: I don't understand the demand for monosynths?

Post by moremagic » Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:57 am

if your sampler doesnt have real time expression then youre using the wrong one

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Re: I don't understand the demand for monosynths?

Post by Rezisehtnys » Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:12 am

Ah yes, the KORG KRONOS has a poly MS and oh such more.

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Re: I don't understand the demand for monosynths?

Post by Automatic Gainsay » Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:56 am

moremagic wrote:if your sampler doesnt have real time expression then youre using the wrong one
Okay, so the sampler's envelope is going to be equivalent to the analog synth's filter? The sampler's envelope generator is going to be equivalent to the analog synth's envelope generator? The sampler's amp is going to be equivalent to the analog synth's amp? The sampler's LFO is going to be equivalent to the analog synth's LFO?
The sampler is going to magically match the content of the samples at every frequency? Or are you suggesting that every frequency should be sampled individually?
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Re: I don't understand the demand for monosynths?

Post by commodorejohn » Thu Apr 17, 2014 2:48 am

Quite a few samplers include some kind of basic synthesizer architecture, actually. But I do have to wonder what on earth the point is in sampling a synthesizer when you already have that very synthesizer - you're having to go to the bother of recording, adjusting, and looping it, and then recreating any performance controls in the sampler's architecture, and getting what out of it, exactly? Is it for polyphony? You can get that just as easily with better results by multitracking...
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Re: I don't understand the demand for monosynths?

Post by moremagic » Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:05 am

Automatic Gainsay wrote:
moremagic wrote:if your sampler doesnt have real time expression then youre using the wrong one
Okay, so the sampler's envelope is going to be equivalent to the analog synth's filter? The sampler's envelope generator is going to be equivalent to the analog synth's envelope generator? The sampler's amp is going to be equivalent to the analog synth's amp? The sampler's LFO is going to be equivalent to the analog synth's LFO?
The sampler is going to magically match the content of the samples at every frequency? Or are you suggesting that every frequency should be sampled individually?
its a different workaround than multitracking, sometimes its nice to actually play polyphonically instead of just listening to it ;)

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Re: I don't understand the demand for monosynths?

Post by calaverasgrande » Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:11 am

to be fair, some samplers let you do things to the samples that no analog synth can emulate. though the best ones still have analog (or simulated) filters.
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Re: I don't understand the demand for monosynths?

Post by Nannerfan » Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:21 am

I meant phrase samples btw, in reference to multi-tracking.

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Re: I don't understand the demand for monosynths?

Post by recordbot » Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:38 am

commodorejohn wrote:But I do have to wonder what on earth the point is in sampling a synthesizer when you already have that very synthesizer

not wrecking your gear while touring?

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Re: I don't understand the demand for monosynths?

Post by Sir Nose » Thu Apr 17, 2014 4:21 am

recordbot wrote:
commodorejohn wrote:But I do have to wonder what on earth the point is in sampling a synthesizer when you already have that very synthesizer

not wrecking your gear while touring?
Or a tool to make sounds with that synthesizer can not make on its own or make with predicable repeat ability.

A good example is the punch of a bassline can vary with a free run osc. At low frequencies, you get the most punch when the phase has a zero crossing in sync with the amp envelope triggering. Phase sync with the amp envelope varies when you have a free run VCO causing some flubby notes.

To the original topic, key priority is a big one. The playing that results from low, high, or last note priority is integral to the creation of music that would not exist otherwise.
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