sh 101 over juno 60 bass would you.

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Re: sh 101 over juno 60 bass would you.

Post by Walter Ego » Tue May 13, 2014 8:36 pm

If it's just between the 101 and the JN-60, I can't help you, as I don't have a 101. As for the 60, bass is great; nice and wholesome but a bit vanilla. It doesn't have a lot of bite or gristle, and not as flexible in architecture as the 101 or what I'm about to suggest.

However, if you're open to other alternatives, I recommend the budget priced MicroBrute. I've been getting beefy, chunky bass out of it. It also has a very flexible and expansive range and an enormous filter sweet spot. The brute factor and Sub osc add to the girth of the bass tones, as does the resonance. Not a lot of bass attenuation with the res cranked up. It's very fun all around and part of the reason I wanted it was as an alternative to the 101 (which is fetching silly prices).

It also has the flexibility of MIDI integration but also with CV integration; and it has its own on-board sequencer like a 101. If you want "fatness," it has PWM and also detuned "ultrasaw" (cue AG rant on "fatness"...)
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Re: sh 101 over juno 60 bass would you.

Post by moodorf » Tue May 13, 2014 8:37 pm

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moodorf wrote:I wouldn't pay $1200+ for an aging synth just because it has a better LFO/envelope/filter/arpeggiator/etc. than one I already have.

It's not so much an argument against the sh specifically, but against blowing a huge wad of money on another synthesizer as opposed to just banking it for when you'll actually need it. One day down the road--sooner than you think--your car will break down or you'll have medical bills or some other financial emergency will come along and you'll think to yourself damn, right about now I really wish I hadn't spent so much money on that sh101 when I already have other perfectly good usable synthesizers.
But by then it'll be worth $1600, and you can sell it at a profit. 8-)
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Re: sh 101 over juno 60 bass would you.

Post by commodorejohn » Tue May 13, 2014 8:39 pm

moodorf wrote:One day down the road--sooner than you think--your car will break down or you'll have medical bills or some other financial emergency will come along and you'll think to yourself damn, right about now I really wish I hadn't spent so much money on that sh101 when I already have other perfectly good usable synthesizers.
Actually, right now my car has broken down and I'm thinking to myself, damn, I really wanted to spend that money on vintage synthesizers.
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Re: sh 101 over juno 60 bass would you.

Post by Rezisehtnys » Tue May 13, 2014 9:06 pm

I just sold my car and am fighting the urge to say screw it and buy vintage synthesizers instead of another car. :P

The Bass Station II might make for a good choice like someone else mentioned. Seems to offer a lot of flexibility in an affordable package. For what they go for used it's tempting to pick one up even though I really don't need one. If you want the SH-101 sound then get one, it's not like you can't turn around and sell it to get most of your money back.

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Re: sh 101 over juno 60 bass would you.

Post by Carey M » Tue May 13, 2014 11:11 pm

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Carey M wrote:I have the MS-20 mini at our studio, great fun factor, but the envelope response alone makes it not ideal for bass sounds, IMO.
Seriously? On mine, I have to move the attack knob almost up to 1 just to get an audibly non-instant attack at all.
I'm super cereal! And I'm talking about the decay.

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Re: sh 101 over juno 60 bass would you.

Post by pflosi » Wed May 14, 2014 8:28 am

Who needs a car anyways? 101 for the win! :headbang:

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Post by Rezisehtnys » Wed May 14, 2014 9:55 am

I've been looking at OB-Xa's pondering that.

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Re: sh 101 over juno 60 bass would you.

Post by pflosi » Wed May 14, 2014 10:07 am

Not a bad choice either :thumbleft:

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Re: sh 101 over juno 60 bass would you.

Post by mute » Wed May 14, 2014 11:32 am

commodorejohn wrote:
Carey M wrote:I have the MS-20 mini at our studio, great fun factor, but the envelope response alone makes it not ideal for bass sounds, IMO.
Seriously? On mine, I have to move the attack knob almost up to 1 just to get an audibly non-instant attack at all.
ditto, and wtf @ ms-20 'not ideal at bass sounds'. ...bass is its bread and butter, h**l, that's its legend. as for topic nah, ms20 doesnt sound anything like a 101. a good modern 101 alternative would be the micro- or minibrute. If i had to choose between a juno 60 and a 101..as in if they were sitting in front of me and i had to pick.. i'd take the 101. but then again, the 106 and mks-30 drove me off of 80s Roland stuff and I already own a 3p...so the 101 would make sense for me.

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Re: sh 101 over juno 60 bass would you.

Post by commodorejohn » Wed May 14, 2014 12:53 pm

Carey M wrote:I'm super cereal! And I'm talking about the decay.
Okay, I'll grant you that the decay is much less snappy than the attack, but I'm still trying to figure out in what situation that would be such a deal-breaker. Are you making basslines consisting entirely of 64th notes or something?

And there's just so much it can do for great bass tone that I can't imagine letting a slightly suboptimal envelope get in the way of that.
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Re: sh 101 over juno 60 bass would you.

Post by pflosi » Wed May 14, 2014 1:14 pm

Just use another envelope, there's input patch points for VCF and VCA :thumbleft:

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Re: sh 101 over juno 60 bass would you.

Post by Carey M » Wed May 14, 2014 2:03 pm

Hey, if I'm doing sequenced 16th note bass lines, I'm much happier with the 101 than with the MS-20 mini. That's all I'm saying. It just sounds right to my ears. MS-20 mini, not so much. For other kinds of basses, with a resonating HPF for example, great stuff.

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Re: sh 101 over juno 60 bass would you.

Post by commodorejohn » Wed May 14, 2014 2:23 pm

Well, that's a different thing than saying it's just not good for bass, though, isn't it?
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Re: sh 101 over juno 60 bass would you.

Post by Carey M » Wed May 14, 2014 2:59 pm

commodorejohn wrote:Well, that's a different thing than saying it's just not good for bass, though, isn't it?
From my perspective, it isn't nearly as good as the 101. Your perspective is different. Which is fine by me!

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Re: sh 101 over juno 60 bass would you.

Post by Re-Member » Wed May 14, 2014 8:07 pm

I actually had some difficulties doing bass sequences on the MS-20 Mini using MIDI when I first got it, but then realized it was due to the fact that the envelope won't retrigger itself unless there's a gap between notes.

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